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Linux growth 'to outstrip Windows by a factor of 3' (Oracle Estimate)
Builder.com ^ | 30 March 2006 | Matthew Overington

Posted on 03/31/2006 2:02:29 PM PST by N3WBI3

Over the next five years, Oracle is predicting annual growth of 12 percent for the open source OS

Linux adoptions are to grow in the next three to five years at nearly triple the rate of Windows, according to Oracle.

In an interview at the LinuxWorld conference in Sydney, the database company suggested Linux deployments had grown beyond an adoption phase, and were now becoming ubiquitous in small and large businesses alike.

Monica Kumar, director of Oracle's Linux programme office, pointed to the open source operating system becoming mainstream as "businesses are looking to Linux as a way to save money," and quotes a projected annual growth rate of 11.7 percent over the next five years. The software heavyweight claims analysts project Windows' growth over the same period as being 3.6 percent per year.

"We don't come across many big companies these days that don't have a Linux strategy, which is in contrast to the market three years ago," says Kumar.

It's not just enterprise customers leading the charge, though. "Small [companies] are now betting their businesses on Linux".

Kumar points to market awareness and a growing number of Linux-savvy developers in developing countries to drive the uptake, and suggests open standards are a huge driver.

"Linux is mainstream. There are a lot of questions that we used to get maybe two years ago where people used to say: 'Is Linux really ready for the enterprise? Can you give me some proof points? Who's deploying it? ...I need to prove the ROI or TCO to my CIO about Linux'. It's been two years and I don't get that question anymore."

She also goes on to point out a shift in adoption drivers: from the developers at the front line to the CIOs.

"We're now seeing adoption driven from the CIOs, instead of from the individual developers, and it's allowing Linux to pick up momentum."

The company has recently released a free version of its flagship database product in an attempt to woo developers towards Oracle technologies.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: capitalism; gebait; linux; opensource; oracle
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To: zeugma
BTW, check out my fake Windows Vista desktop running on KDE 3.4...

Kbfx, Mtaskbar, Nuovext icon theme, and the "Crystal" window decoration from KDElook.org, plus homemade start button and taskbar skin.

41 posted on 04/01/2006 7:47:08 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (And now for something completely different: www.donaldlancow.com)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Yes they do, and have, as my link showed, and I have others if you think you can dispute the one I already provided. They are probably projected to fall some over the next few years to 60%, but I wouldn't bet on it, since they've been predicted to fall before but never really have.

Funny you would try to claim I'm the one lying, when as normal newbie and ziggy have once again been exposed on this thread as the ones posting BS.


42 posted on 04/01/2006 8:06:59 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: zeugma

Simple, that's right about when newbi3 showed up here and started posting all his linux lies, just as he tried on this thread. For some reason, he loves to spread lies about linux, and put down Microsoft and others who compete with it. Too bad for him, I never let him get away with it. You'd think after a while he'd quit trying, but some people are just habitual.


43 posted on 04/01/2006 8:11:59 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Yes they do, and have, as my Two year old link showed..

Fixed it for you..

44 posted on 04/01/2006 10:24:16 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
Simple, that's right about when newbi3 showed up here and started posting all his linux lies, just as he tried on this thread.

The conversation was not the OS on systems sold the conversation you brought in meaningless statistics which had nothing to do with the covnersation. Depsite the fact I made a guess and called it as much my answer to a question was still correct using your numbers.

Your failure to follow the conversation and understand some basic concepts does not mean people were lying..

45 posted on 04/01/2006 10:44:06 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

Amazing how your lies never end. You didn't make a guess, you knew it was BS when you posted it.

Here's a thread from last year where I pointed it out to you TWICE.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1471641/posts?page=186#186

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1471641/posts?page=192#192

There's also a different link on that page, from 2005 showing MS with 69.6 percent of server shipments.

http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn052505-story01.html

So, what lies can you make up now to try to weasel out of this?


46 posted on 04/02/2006 9:29:14 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Again:

Just because you don't know the difference between a Linux Deployment and a Linux Sale does *not* mean deceit was intended, it just means you're too ignorant to know what the adults are talking about
47 posted on 04/02/2006 10:08:46 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle; JeffAtlanta
I even ran with the numbers you posted, *despite* the fact unit sales is always going to sell Linux deployments short and *still* the answer to the original question was the same... You know the original question, the one which you yourself keep trying to ignore..

So I'm going to give you a chance to sit at the grownup table for a change, here was Jeff's original question:

"To be fair, isn't measuring rate of growth sort of misleading when it comes comparing large bases to smaller bases? "

So is Linux getting a 12% growth significant compared to MS 3.6%?

48 posted on 04/02/2006 10:12:52 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
"businesses are looking to Linux as a way to save money,"

DOD, too.

49 posted on 04/02/2006 10:14:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: N3WBI3

Windows is pirated, probably more than Linux is given away. It's very close to the same thing - a free copy that someone else is trying to sell.

Weasel all you want, your original claim that Microsoft only had 40% of any server market any way you want to measure it was BS, and you knew it when you posted it.


50 posted on 04/02/2006 10:20:04 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; FLAMING DEATH
Ah, I see. It's all N3WBI3's fault that you became a troll.

Well, for those interested, here are some interesting statistics...

I went to the page posted by Flaming Death, and saved it to disk and deleted everything after the Brass Buzzard's devolution to trolldom. Then I ran the following command:

grep "slave" GE-post.html | grep -v page | \
grep -v "News/Activism" | sort | uniq -c

The result is as follows:

 1 Lakers win!!! 
10 Intercepted Communications Give Credence to FBI Warning 
1 Microsoft under Bio Attack! 
1 Saudi Prince: Rudy Got The Wrong Message 
5 Sony Pictures employee hospitalized after touching white powder 
1 Bin Laden's son says West will never capture him 
1 BREAKING: SAUDIS MAY ASKING U.S. MILITARY TO LEAVE 
1 President Bush welcomed by Patriots while protesters covered on evening news! 
1 Musharraf Urges End to Afghan Bombing by Ramadan 
3 Please help - need AWSOME Chili Recipe - Vanity Post 
1 Letters Prove Saddam Behind Attack 
1 REBEL TROOPS ROUT TALIBAN AND SMASH INTO KEY CITY 
1 Franklin Graham Calls Islam Evil Religion 
3 [[[ Excite@Home HAS gone dark !!! ]]] -- CableModem customers stranded! 
1 Fox News: Racicot to be RNC Chairman 
1 Pakistan Ended Aid to Taliban Only Hesitantly 
1 BCS pulls a Palm Beach, picks Nebraska and Gore 
1 More Than 1 Million Xbox Systems Shipped to North American Retailers In Just Three Weeks 
6 The great Koran con trick 
1 A Nebraska Fan's Perspective of the BCS 
4 Oracle's 'Unbreakable' boast attracting hackers 
1 Dead Man Walker 
1 COMMANDOS HOT ON OSAMA'S TAIL 
1 U.S. Planes Pound Al Qaeda Troops on Mountain Ridge (Update2) 
1 Dozens of Al Qaeda Surrender Near Where Afghan Commander Claims to Have Found Bin Laden's Cave 
6 Aghan Commanders: We've Got Bin Laden Cornered 
2 Osama's Voice Heard in Tora Bora Radio Intercept 
1 Pakistan Blamed By India For Raid On Parliament 
2 Forces declare victory at Tora Bora: But bin Laden not in area, 
1 Bill Clinton: We will never let Palestinians get rid of Israel ( PROJECTILE WITH BIG CHUNKS ALERT) 
1 *POSTER 2* Sammy bin Lawden sings your favorite tunes in this made for TV special! (360k) 
1 FreeperDad Prayer Request 
2 Shoe bomb linked to Bin Laden 
1 Katherine Harris needled in effigy at last year's King Mango Strut in Miami [my title] 
1 SPURRIER RESIGNS AS HEAD COACH OF FLORIDA! 
2 Plane Crashes Into Tampa Building 
1 Stoops Stays with Oklahoma!!! 
4 Daytona 500: W. Burton Wins!!! [E. Sadler 2nd, G. Bodine 3rd] 
1 Is Linux Your Next OS? (John Dvorak) 
1 U.S. repatriating Pakistani detainees 
1 Sun Files Suit Against Microsoft Alleging Damages in Java Fight 
1 Are guys intimidated by powerful women? 
1 Falwell Calls For "Conservative Revolution" 
2 Calpers Says It Will Vote Its Shares Against Proposed H-P/Compaq Deal 
1 Vote for Favorite Conservative and Least favorite DemocRAT 
2 Pakistan moves troops, prepares for airstrikes 
1 CAN WE KNOCK OUT INDIA'S AND PAKISTAN'S NUKES? 
2 Pakistan's Musharraf Says Nuclear Option Insane 
1 Bush's Record Calls into Question His Conservative Label 
1 BIN LADEN'S JULY 4 TERROR BROADCAST 

<hr>

That pretty much looks like a normal Freeperr posting history. A  scattering of posts on a variety of subjects.

GE's last post as a normal Freeper was on 06/23/2002. Almost a year passes before another post is made 05/28/2003, and GE has been a Johnny-one-note troll ever since.

Now let's take a look at her posting history after some witch transformed her into a really lame troll:

1 BIN LADEN'S JULY 4 TERROR BROADCAST ^
1 Novell Puts the Lie to SCO's Linux Attack ^
13 UPDATE - Microsoft loses city of Munich deal to Linux ^
3 SCO says it will show code in Linux dispute ^
1 Microsoft says Linux-based software a growing threat ^
1 Linux Leader Torvalds To Work Full-Time On Kernel Development ^
22 What SCO Wants, SCO Gets - (Linux Assault)
35
Why SCO decided to take IBM to court ^
4 US told Japan that NKorea has several nuclear warheads: report ^

Since  that time, a lot has happened in the world, but you'd never know it if you lived in GE's tiny universe of anti-open source trolldom.

51 posted on 04/02/2006 10:22:02 AM PDT by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: Golden Eagle
If we were talking the desktop I would agree, there are plot of phantom Windows deployments out there but on the server its not going to be to the same scale that you see people using Fedora, CentOS, OpenSuse, ....

Weasel all you want, your original claim that Microsoft only had 40% of any server market any way you want to measure it was BS, and you knew it when you posted it.

Hey I said it was a guess, If me speaking in the simpilest terms will help move the conversation along Fine Ill say it clearly "40% was a SWAG and could be wrong". As to the weasel part you *STILL* have not answered the question the the adults were throwing around...

Jeff's original question:

"To be fair, isn't measuring rate of growth sort of misleading when it comes comparing large bases to smaller bases? "

So is Linux getting a 12% growth significant compared to MS 3.6%?

52 posted on 04/02/2006 10:26:39 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: zeugma

I will do that. Thank you!


53 posted on 04/02/2006 10:38:51 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: zeugma

What's wrong? You don't like it when I nuke newbi3's endless lies like Windows only has 40% market share, or his bogus claim repeated infinitely that Microsoft has cut off all support to Windows 2000 even though you can still download security updates till 2010? Probably, but it's got a lot with how I blow up your BS as well, like yesterday when you kept claiming the VMWARE kernel is Linux.

At least you boys are starting to say "I guess" or "I'm pretty sure" LOL. Maybe one day you'll actually find out if it's the truth or not before you even open your trap.


54 posted on 04/02/2006 10:39:49 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
I said it was a guess

I already pointed this fact out to you before, several times, so saying you're now guessing because you don't know any better sounds like another lie.

55 posted on 04/02/2006 10:41:55 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; zeugma
Simple, that's right about when newbi3 showed up here and started posting all his linux lies

You mean lies like all Chinese supercomputers run Red Flag Linux?

Stats and marketshare can be bantered around all day and nobody is likely to be caught in a real lie about them since interpretations and sources differ, but your unqualified, absolute lie above is pretty inescapable.

56 posted on 04/02/2006 10:44:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: abigailsmybaby
You also might want to pull down the latest issue (April) of TUX magazine from my website. This month's issue is a "Distro Smackdown". It has a lot of good information about several of the more popular distributions.

TUX is a magazine geared towards new Linux users. 

57 posted on 04/02/2006 11:46:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: zeugma

OK. Thank you!


58 posted on 04/02/2006 11:55:10 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: Golden Eagle

Your links refer to saold units not deployments..


59 posted on 04/02/2006 12:53:25 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Hey if I was wrong that all Chinese supercomputers run Red Flag Linux, I apologize for the mistake. It was an easy honest mistake to make, since the free copies of Red Hat the Chinese rename to Red Flag are the official operating system of the chinese government, at least according to sources like Linux Journal.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5116

My basic point remains - Chicomm supercomputers do run Linux, including the improvements they get for free from the US.

But newbi3's lies aren't honest mistakes, nor does he hardly if ever retract or ever admit them. It's just a constant stream, of ridiculous BS, like his coninual claim that Microsoft is no longer releasing security patches for Windows 2000, or that their server share is below 50%. Those are absurd lies he's never retracted or admitted, nor will he probably ever. BIG difference, they aren't mistakes, they're known lies when he spouts them.


60 posted on 04/02/2006 2:25:14 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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