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Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell
MSNBC ^ | 02/10/04 | Jeannette Walls

Posted on 02/10/2004 7:02:28 AM PST by evets

Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. “There is no salvation for those outside the Church,” Gibson replied. “I believe it.” He elaborated: “Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. She’s, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it, she’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.”

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To: evets
While I don't agree with him on this doctrinal point, God has always used imperfect people to accomplish things here on Earth. That is one of the things that keeps me going, knowing God is greater than my failings. Mel has done a great work for the Lord with this film. I think this film will reach more non-believers than the Jesus film has.
21 posted on 02/10/2004 7:14:24 AM PST by ibheath (Born-again and grateful to God for it.)
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To: txzman
It does not bother me if Mel, or other Catholics have that view. Believing in "pronouncements from the chair" is one of the differences between Catholics and Protestants, I suppose. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
22 posted on 02/10/2004 7:14:24 AM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: evets
Does it matter what Mel believes? It is for each to look to his own soul. This statement by Mel just shows me that he is not lost, just confused and lacks Bible Doctrine. Has nothing to do with his salvation, that is, that he believes I am lost.
23 posted on 02/10/2004 7:14:42 AM PST by fish hawk ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more")
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To: sarasota
Obviously, the pages of the Bible didn't just appear from nowhere, however it was a Divinely inspired book. That's why you can take what it says to the bank.

The Bible was NOT simply thought up and written by men, though, and that's the big difference. Papal policies and edicts come from a man, who, when it all boils down, is just as fallible as the rest of us.

24 posted on 02/10/2004 7:15:47 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: Future Snake Eater
"This is my problem with Catholicism in a nutshell. Too many people listening to what a man says rather than what the Bible says."

Around here we call that a cult.

25 posted on 02/10/2004 7:16:52 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: evets
It's open season on religious beleifs but if you have none or believe in the secular sacraments of homosexuality and political correctness it's hateful to disagree.
26 posted on 02/10/2004 7:17:37 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: chance33_98
In Mel's movie "We Were Soldiers" he's sitting with his little girl at bedtime saying prayers, and she balks at saying the Catholic prayer, she says, "I want to pray like Mommy." And Mel's character says, "That's okay, Mommy is a Methodist, you can pray like Mommy if you want" (words to that effect).
27 posted on 02/10/2004 7:18:11 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: evets
I'm not Catholic, but I thought the current Catholic view of "the Church" had been broadened to include most Christian denominations -- at least those that trace their genealogy back to the Roman Catholic church at some point in time. Maybe they even include the Eastern Orthodox churches now, I don't know. I say that because I'm sure I read that the Catholic Church now recognizes baptisms done by many other Christian denominations as being valid.
28 posted on 02/10/2004 7:18:32 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: evets
Was Jesus a Catholic? ut oh.
29 posted on 02/10/2004 7:18:44 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Petronski
Better get ahold of Mel and set him straight.
30 posted on 02/10/2004 7:18:54 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Keyes2000mt
Gibson also said in the interview that he was nearly suicidal before he made his controversial film. “I got to a very desperate place. Very desperate. Kind of jump-out-of-a-window kind of desperate,” he said in the interview. “And I didn’t want to hang around here, but I didn’t want to check out. The other side was kind of scary. And I don’t like heights, anyway. But when you get to that point where you don’t want to live, and you don’t want to die, it’s a desperate, horrible place to be. And I just hit my knees. And I had to use ‘The Passion of the Christ’ to heal my wounds.”

This is just a media attempt to hurt the film and I ask everyone to avert their eyes from this sorry scene.

This is Mel Gibson, in his own words, talking about his film just before it debuts. If it hurts the film it is because of what he says about what he believes. This is who he is, warts and all. Some people are uncomfortable with what he believes and understandably so.

31 posted on 02/10/2004 7:18:55 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: redlipstick
Well I was raised a Catholic and my grandmother (Catholic) who married a Protestant was under the impression that her husband would not go to heaven. I found that very sad.

She had to get that idea somewhere. It was taught to me when I was a kid by the nuns in Sunday school. I never believed it though and consequently, I never believed much the Catholic Church had to say about anything.

Not a way to win the hearts and minds of young people.
32 posted on 02/10/2004 7:19:08 AM PST by ladylib
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To: evets
Mel is a wonderful and rightly blessed man, but not a theologian. This is not what the Scripture says, OR the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
33 posted on 02/10/2004 7:20:20 AM PST by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: VaBthang4
Amazing that an attack on Mel designed to hurt the film's attendence is now being used to attack the Catholic church. You're playing into their hands my friends.
34 posted on 02/10/2004 7:20:34 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: evets
As a former Roman Catholic, now disciple of Jesus, I understand where Mel is coming from but don't agree with him.

His belief or the RC church's dogma does not rescind Jesus's payment for my (or anyone else's) sin.

From my perspective, I liken the RC's strictness to the issues that Paul had with churches that struggled with a serious problem: Whether or not it was OK to eat meat that had been sacrificed to idols. Paul's answer: it's OK to eat the meat because it has no power over you but the real issue was whether or not the eating of the meat would violate the other believer's conscience and cause them to stumble. He said not to use your freedom as a pretext to stumble another believer.

In the same way, I will not pick a fight with RC's on this issue because it doesn't harm my salvation in any way.

So, I'll ignore Mel's pronouncements, concentrate on the positive of the "Passion" and look for things in common with the RC's instead of the differences.

35 posted on 02/10/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: ladylib
I've never heard of Catholic Sunday school, either. Where was that?
36 posted on 02/10/2004 7:21:32 AM PST by EllaMinnow (If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
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To: evets
Mabelkitty reads paragraph, reads first post, rolls eyes, turns around and walks out.
37 posted on 02/10/2004 7:21:44 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: sarasota
"I don't mean to be contrary, but "men" wrote the Bible. Jesus' teaching were in the oral tradition and written up long after."

A point I have attempted to explain a few times but have given up on, most people who call themselves Christian cannot comprehend this simple fact.
38 posted on 02/10/2004 7:22:13 AM PST by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: redlipstick
This article taken out of context......Just another article to Ruffles People's feathers!!!
39 posted on 02/10/2004 7:22:29 AM PST by missyme
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To: redlipstick
I am a lifelong Catholic and spent 9 years in Catholic school, and I was never taught that you must be Catholic to be saved. Never.

What does Hutton Gibson believe ? It is relevant because Mel said “My dad taught me my faith and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life,” he said, when asked about Hutton’s comments.

40 posted on 02/10/2004 7:22:37 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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