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Is anyone watching Battlestar Galactica? (Hinting of 9-11??)Mega Vanity -sorry
Today | RandallFlagg

Posted on 12/08/2003 7:13:14 PM PST by RandallFlagg

The first 2 segments are just SCREAMING at hints towards 911. I highly suggest folks watch it.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: battlestar; battlestargalactica; galactica
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To: hattend
"June Lockhart's daughter."

Really. I never knew that. What a babe. Did she do anything else?
301 posted on 12/09/2003 12:56:35 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: RandallFlagg
Are you a chick?
302 posted on 12/09/2003 1:00:18 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: RandallFlagg
I felt really bad at that scene.

Entertainment that makes me feel bad is not entertaining.

I wonder sometimes if there is anything people won't watch. Here is a whole thread full of people who can watch the cold-blooded murder of a baby and call it entertainment. You people make me sick.

303 posted on 12/09/2003 1:04:45 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: JustAnAmerican
Did you bother to actually read my post or did you just stop at the mention of PC and Woman?

I read the whole post, and noticed that you didn't actually support your claims.

Just in case you were in a hurry, or just decided you wanted to be the devils advocate without brushing up on facts, here is the passage in post 219 you conveniently missed.

It was not about who was best for the job it was all about PC. There are no "What If's" here, the point is they used females in the spots that males were originally used because of PC. No more no less. All one has to do is search the Internet to find this out."
I didn't miss that at all. In fact, I did a few "searches of the internet" and didn't find anything at all like what you describe.

So perhaps now would be a fine time for you to present something you allegedly found in your "searches of the internet" which would support your assertion, instead of making readers of your post go on a scavenger hunt for it.

Where in that passage did you see anything about "My guess is?",

Nowhere, which was exactly my point. If you wanted to present your "it was all about PC" view as your own opinion, so be it, but when you present it as undeniable fact, *then* it behooves you to support such an absolute claim.

Facts is the buzzword here. If watching the new BSG floats yer boat then by all means watch it, but please don't insist the show wasn't trying to be PC, there are too many facts that say otherwise including "Interviews" of the Producer about the show.

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to quote some, would it? Although I really doubt you can find a passage that actually flatly says, "yeah, we were working at being politically correct", even if they were. Instead, it's more likely that whether their comments indicate "PC-ness" or not is going to be a matter of interpretation by the reader, which removes the matter from the realm of unarguable "facts" and becomes a personal judgment call.

Indeed, when *I* do a web search on this, I find:

"I felt that making Starbuck a woman would provide greater creative opportunities in the show and was a way of avoiding what I felt would be cliches in the 'rogue pilot with a heart of gold' once Dirk Benedict (whose personal charm was such that he made the cliches go down a little easier) was removed from the equation. Boomer was a similar process, but given the deeper truth about Boomer in the mini, turning the character into a woman provided other opportunities down the road."
-- Battlestar Galactica writer Ronald D. Moore, May 2003 Cylon Alliance chat
Oh looky, that sounds an awful lot like my own impression which I posted earlier (which I posted *before* I found the preceding writer's quote):
"To me it looked like the real motivation for the changes was to add more "eye-candy" to the primary cast, and to enhance the possibilities for sexual activity/tensions in the plot (as opposed to just "what shall we shoot today")."
In short, it adds more story possibilities.
304 posted on 12/09/2003 1:08:31 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Precisely!

Unfortunately, much of the criticism I'm seeing here belongs under the same heading as that leveled at the first two Matrix movies.

The critics aren't up to the object.

Personally, I can't think of a worse piece of dreck than the original BSG. Any longevity it's had has to be due to the strength of the concept, and the merciful forgetfulness of it's viewers.
305 posted on 12/09/2003 1:13:54 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Didn't #6 say there were 12 models like her. Good looking models at that.

And I know the name of #1,

Courtney Love!

we should have guessed...

306 posted on 12/09/2003 1:21:23 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: Ichneumon
Link #1(from the horses patoot)

Excerpt from said link.
One of the things that's changed between then and now is that women have become much more integrated into the US armed forces and they are edging ever closer to full-on combatants. Even so, it still feels strange to see women warriors, because we're not used to them yet. While science fiction has postulated the fully gender-integrated military of the future for some now, it's seldom portrayed realistically.

Issues of privacy, living situations, and the all important male/female interaction and its impact on unit cohesion and morale are usually just brushed aside as in the Trekkian model of the perfect future where no one sleeps with someone they're not supposed to because Starfleet officers are just better than us. The original Galactica was a product of its time and was obviously sexist in the way even the notion of female pilots was considered crazy until all the men were waylaid by some virus and then (Holy Lords of Kobol!) the women had to fly the Vipers.

I wanted the new Galactica to fully intergrate women into the equation, but not blink from it, not avoid the unpleasant fact that this won't always go smoothly and that there will be problems along the way.

Yep sure sounds like he wasn't considering the PC angle [/sarcasm]

307 posted on 12/09/2003 1:29:27 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: Woahhs
Am I the only one that was disturbed by the scene where robo-chick kills the baby in the stroller?

That part creeped me out. I had a feeling that something bad was going to happen after she picked up the baby. At least the killing was done where the viewer could not see it.

Up to that point, the wholly unnecessary sex scenes were the only bits that bothered me. Do these actors get paid according to how many square inches of skin are revealed?

308 posted on 12/09/2003 1:30:29 PM PST by Garth Rockett (Trapped in academia with no exit in sight.)
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To: Woahhs
Courtney Love!

WTF? See your optometrist stat.

309 posted on 12/09/2003 1:30:43 PM PST by AngryJawa ("The bang is great, but the shockwave is where it’s at.")
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To: Lee'sGhost
Are you a chick?

I'm a metrosexu--No, I'm all man (except for my hair being almost to my butt... Why?

310 posted on 12/09/2003 1:31:23 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: Liberal Classic
I don't think the Baltar presented could exist within the living memory of men after the first cylon war.

Yet some are willing to elect any of the nine dwarfs right now...

311 posted on 12/09/2003 1:33:54 PM PST by null and void (tag - you're it...)
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To: RandallFlagg
"I'm a metrosexu--"

LOL!!!

I think it was they way you said "kissus," not that there's anything wrong with that.

It made me wonder so I checked out your profile. The pictures are missing so I thought I'd just ask. Given this thread I was thinking it would be interesting if you were a woman using the name RadallFlagg.


312 posted on 12/09/2003 1:34:58 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I've seen her name listed on voices for cartoons. Can't remember which ones, I just remember the name in the credits and I filed it away for Trivial Pursuit style conversation...LOL
313 posted on 12/09/2003 1:35:16 PM PST by hattend
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To: hopespringseternal
You people make me sick.

SHEESH! It was simply an observation.

314 posted on 12/09/2003 1:36:35 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: AngryJawa
I rest my case from post #305.
315 posted on 12/09/2003 1:36:40 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: RandallFlagg
I caught the first episode last night. Watching the old series I can't imagine how I ever liked that show. This version seems slicker but chock full of the requsite PC pablum. I will gander at tonight's episode most likely. I just like to point out all the scientific idiocy that go on in these shows. Number one complaint- there is no noise in space! Number two- the gravity fields on these vessels is never explained. Number three- why do vipers have "wings" in space?
316 posted on 12/09/2003 1:39:20 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: GreenLanternCorps; Ichneumon
That's a good scenario. Your enemy secretly helps you build your defences and builds himself a back door to shut everything down just when it's needed!

Any parallels you may wish to draw to outsourcing code to India and China are purely coincidental...

317 posted on 12/09/2003 1:39:25 PM PST by null and void (tag - you're it...)
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To: Burkeman1
I know about the noise, but at least it was reduced to a muted level instead of the screeching phaser-like volumes.

Gravity fields are possibly just another engineering feat of these types of Sci-fi.

"Wings" on the vipers are understandable: They do operate both in atmosphere and space.

318 posted on 12/09/2003 1:43:41 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: hopespringseternal
Here is a whole thread full of people who can watch the cold-blooded murder of a baby and call it entertainment. You people make me sick.

Remember that the next time that you watch the dramatization of a terrorist act or a war and call it entertaining.

319 posted on 12/09/2003 1:45:52 PM PST by mhking
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To: null and void
I don't think the Baltar presented could exist within the living memory of men after the first cylon war.

What, are you kidding? Didn't you read any of the threads that tried to boycott ESPN when they dumped Rush? All these rock-ribbed conservatives acted like women who had been told they should only have one color of shoes.

Absence doesn't make the heart grow fonder... it makes it forget.

320 posted on 12/09/2003 1:45:54 PM PST by Woahhs
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