Posted on 05/03/2015 3:35:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sometime after 1200 BCE, civilization collapsed, and a dark age prevailed.
The Late Bronze Age collapse of societies throughout the Levant, the Near East and the Mediterranean some 3,200 years ago has been a mystery. Powerful, advanced civilizations disappeared, seemingly overnight. Now an archaeologist believes he has figured out what lay behind the cataclysm.
The trigger seems to have been the invasion of ancient Egypt in 1177 BCE by marauding peoples known simply as the “Sea Peoples,” as recorded in the Medinet Habu wall relief at Ramses III' tomb. The relief depicts a sea battle (and also carts full of supplies, women and children, something that always puzzled researchers. Why would the women and children have been at a sea battle, and why were there chariots? Did they bring them on ships as well?) The foreigners were depicted wearing distinct head gear....
(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...
Thanks Texas Fossil, I’ll check it out in a few! Can’t get the old box to load the page right.
Rohl agrees with Velikovsky that the Pharaoh of the Exodus was the one listed at the end of the Middle Kingdom in the surviving versions of Manetho’s king list. Rohl’s work, like that of Peter James et al, grew out of the breakdown of the attempted Glasgow Chronology, itself cooked up by the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies because, well, IMHO, because Velikovsky was a Jew and a catastrophist. That’s odd in a way, because the SIS also has an interest in catastrophism, despite being based in the land of the uniformitarian Church of Darwin.
Scarab in the Dust: Egypt in the Time of the Twenty-First Dynasty by Martin Sieff
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/scarab.html
The Libyans in Egypt: Resolving the Third Intermediate Period by Martin Sieff
[snip] My model also invalidates the original Glasgow scheme of things for the Third Intermediate Period, whereby the Twenty-Second Dynasty was placed c.620-400 B.C., but there should be at least no argument over that, as the Glasgow school leaders themselves, recognizing the impossibility of this solution, have retreated to their James-Rohl model, which gives up Velikovsky’s Hatshepsut-Solomon, Thutmose III-Shishak, and El Amarna-House of Ahab correlations entirely. On my model all these correlations still hold. [/snip]
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/slibyans.html
http://www.starways.net/lisa/history_toc.html
Eruptive history of the Santorini volcano
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/santorini_eruptions.html
“BCE? Oh, you mean ‘Before Christian Era’?”
Yes, thats it exactly.
Progressives find Christ and any formalized societal reference to him offensive. They’re attempting to secularize the numbering schema, without understanding that use of BC can actually be secular; one doesn’t have to believe in Christ as the Messiah/Son of God or be Christian to understand that he and the rise of Christianity represented a major historical breakpoint in human history where it’s easy to differentiate what came before from what came after.
The funny thing is that use of BC (Before Christ) is, ironically, more secular than AD (Anno Domini/Year of Our Lord). The former being a neutral historical mile marker while the latter has a definite religious context.
In 1177 BC, they deployed a website that was subscription-only, and they all died.
Nice catch — that’s what he’s trying to equate, the Sea Peoples (”victims”) with ISIS.
Thanks Jack, that worked for me.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3285878/posts?page=5#5
Thanks Rocky, your alternate source worked great as well.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3285878/posts?page=21#21
And thanks catnipman, that’s interesting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3285878/posts?page=102#102
Too late.
I haz a sad.
related topics from the FRchives:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1464082/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2022997/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2237806/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2292755/posts
Pillar of fire by night, pillar of smoke by day? Actually, this is a revival of an idea from about a century or more ago. The trouble is, no recent volcanism has been identified in the Sinai.
Mount Sinai Was A Volcano In Saudi Arabia, Says Scientist (Exodus)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/928064/posts
This Pope is a complete idiot and nothing but a tool of anti-god fascists.
The People’s of the Sea were proto Greeks arriving from Scandanavia after a great migration from the Baltic sea after the Trojan War which was fought between Danes and Finns. Read Felice Vinci’s “The Baltic Origins of Homer’s Epic Tales”. Archaeological dating is a hairball, none of it is reliable. Read Velikovsky and Gunnar Heinsohn on rational dating schematics.
The People’s of the Sea first attacked Egypt then became its allies against the Persians and then sailed north into the Peloponesian Islands and became Greek civilization.
If you don’t like the Christian calendar start using the Muslim one. You can rant all you want on this thread, but if you say it’s 2015 you’re using the Christian calendar, whether you like it or not. Are there other aspects of reality that you have difficulty accepting?
Are you one of those types that also advocates the metric system?
“This Pope is a complete idiot and nothing but a tool of anti-god fascists.”
He is a leftist from Argentina, one of those who characterize the last attempt to prevent the takeover of that country by the left as “the dirty war.”
A leftist is a leftist first and anything else a distant second.
Benedict XVI was the pope I wanted; Francis the Leftist is the one God thinks we deserve, apparently.
There is evidence that the huge eruption of the volcano on Santorini circa 1600 bc. had a huge impact on the various cultures in the area.
Sunamis hit all the local coasts including the nearby Minoan culture and the cultures in the Levant
Volcanic ash covering the area and the sun may well have begun a cycle of climate change and famine from agricultural failure and affected areas as far away as China and Egypt.
There is a slim likelihood that all the civilization crumbling events happened in one year (1177 bc.) But a series of events and natural occurrences that affected the area over a period of time is more likely.
Nope. Not one bit of evidence for it.
The caldera is prehistoric in the extreme. The open side that has been claimed to have brought on the tsunami points more toward the Greek mainland, and yet the Mycenaeans who lived there took over from the Minoans, having been trading partners and then competitors over preceding centuries. It’s not surprising that the palaces on Crete were burned, presumably by invaders, a story at least as old as the Neolithic.
The dating of the fall of the Minoans was actually worsened by Sturt Manning’s posited older date for the eruption, moving it out from 80 years (already foolishly implausible) to about 180, or more.
Further, there’s no evidence tsunamis hit any of the coastlines of the Aegean. Considering how the classical Greeks were aware of the connection between quakes and the sea (hence Poseidon) there must have been tsunamis once in a while, with or without a world-changing level 7 event. Bupkis.
There’s been some *claims* that a very ordinary looking pile of debris was deposited by a tsunami, but it’s only because the excavator *wanted* it to be seen that way. Strange that such a huge tsunami and a multisuperdupermegaeruption didn’t leave clear and obvious signs with Thera as the epicenter, but at the very least, for some major fraction of a mile in each direction from this “find”. Nothing.
Remains of a pre-classical structure (otherwise unremarkable) near the shoreline in, hmm, Crete I think, was supposed to be evidence for that tsunami, but it looked in pretty good shape — could almost throw a roof on it and live in it — and any damage can be accounted for by its age and the fact that it’s been exposed to shoreline conditions for thousands of years. Again, bupkis.
The alleged ash layer found on the east end of Crete was found in an undateable context, and measured in millimeters. Even on Thera, the average ash cover in the eruption strata that buried ancient Akrotiri is curiously small, nothing in fact compared with the depths of ash that buried Pompeii.
There are no giant piles of pumice found anywhere, and the one artifact from Egypt — a floating serving tray, apparently for the pharaoh or a member of his family — was of course immediately and for years after attributed to the supposed eruption. When finally examined, the chemistry showed it was from the Kos volcano and 10’s of 1000’s of years old, having been worked into an artifact a very long time later.
As pumice floats, it’s reasonable to wonder where all of it went.
There are some deposits of pumice in Egypt, but embedded in sedimentary strata, showing their great age. That’s consistent with the 100’s of 1000’s of years old dating for so much major Aegean volcanic activity. In the 1970s some small amount of pumice was found with pottery in some Aegean site, but again, not really possible to date it, and afaik its affinity with Thera was never more than an assumption.
Similarly, small deposits of ash and other traces found in and out of datable contexts, when they have been examined, have been found much more often than not.to not match Thera. An ice core signature from Iceland, that was immediately saddled on as another proof, was shown to not match Thera, instead apparently having come from Mount Aniakchak in the Aleutians.
The only ancient historical record of an eruption on Thera works out to about 200 BC. Herodotus writes rather a lot about the pretty small island, and says nothing about any volcano or eruption, or even any tradition that the whole place was destroyed. Given that he died before 200 BC, that isn’t surprising.
The 1177 BC date is something applied to a fictional event — the comprehensive collapse of the “Bronze Age” Mediterranean followed by a conveniently unattested “dark age”.
Ramses II’s canopic jars have been in a museum in Europe for a long while now. They were brought out of the same cache that had held dozens of pharaonic mummies from the New Kingdom period, including Ramses II’s own. A few years ago the contents, that is, Ramses II’s own guts, were radiocarbon dated. They were nearly 800 years too young to support the conventional pseudochronology. That’s exactly how Velikovsky dated Ramses II. Ramses III is known to have postdated Ramses II.
Nicely done. Anyone who can't follow this needs to get hold of a copy of Worlds in Collision.
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