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Mark Steyn warns of 'serious secession movements' if drift toward socialism not reversed
Daily Caller ^ | May 16, 2013 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 05/16/2013 2:54:55 PM PDT by Rufus2007

Radio host Dennis Miller and National Review columnist Mark Steyn considered Thursday the possible outcomes if the United States continues down the path of socialism.

If socialism became the prevailing governing philosophy, Miller speculated, escaping it wouldn’t require a move to the Australian outback. Instead he suggested heading for the state of Texas, because it would be the first place to push back against it.

“If I ever do flee, don’t think fleeing has to involve you going over to Alice Springs or something,” Miller said. “I’m going to Texas because that’ll be the first place that pushes back. They’re not going down the tubes with this country if this country decides to go down the tubes. I really think I’d head for Texas.”

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: marksteyn; secession; socialism; texas
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To: Rufus2007
I don't think we'll see secession a la 1860. It's going to be more like Baghdad or Kabul. Or today's Syria. It won't be pretty.
61 posted on 05/16/2013 5:52:34 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
I don't think we'll see secession a la 1860

There is no reason to believe that individual states will assert their sovereignty. Your comment, while amusing, neglects that there is a history and structure that was designed into the republic from the beginning. If FedGov™ dissolved we would have 50 countries, not a bad thing.

62 posted on 05/16/2013 6:04:48 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PapaNew

“Looks Like S Carolina has at least passed a House Bill declaring it illegal. http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/05/us-starts-to-fracture-south-carolina-declares-obamacare-illegal-2520478.html";

If you go to the original souce from the above link you gave, you will find it’s the exchanges the state won’t do,

Quote: “To that end, we will not pursue the type of government-run health exchanges being forced on us by Washington,” she said. “Despite the rose-colored rhetoric coming out of D.C., these exchanges are nothing more than a way to make the state do the federal government’s bidding in spending massive amounts of taxpayer dollars on insurance subsidies that we can’t afford.”

It is the exhcanges they outlawed. If a federal agent tried to force their citizens into an exhange, it is now against their law.

Texas has already declined to do exchanges and Hussein is pissed about that, too. I don’t know if it is in Texas law but the state isn’t doing it.


63 posted on 05/16/2013 6:06:01 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
There is no reason to believe

I meant to say: There is reason to believe

64 posted on 05/16/2013 6:06:44 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PapaNew

We shall see, but I think it’s pretty good.


65 posted on 05/16/2013 6:13:55 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Josa

And hopefully all the libs in red states will move those utopian blue states
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The blue states would collapse in short order without tax paying producers and social conservatives.


66 posted on 05/16/2013 6:16:02 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: central_va
Fwiw-

Mark Stein has been well ahead of you and me...for years.

67 posted on 05/16/2013 6:20:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: ConorMacNessa
“Thanks for the info and thanks for your service!”

There is one way to change a county from Democrat to Republican. It's like this: If you are going to play a game, you better know the rules. In politics, the rules are The Texas Election Code. Democrats do not know the law, therefore they do not know the rules of the game.

We used election law to change our county from Democrat to Republican in four years. They hated us, but tough cookie.

In every county, the power to run the Central Counting Station was in the hands of the county clerk or elections administrator. If that person was a Democrat, he/she could keep Republicans out of central counting. If that person was a Republican, he/she could keep Democrats out of central counting.

We were kept out of our Central Counting Station, so one day my husband said he was going to fix that. He wrote a bill to allow both parties in Central Counting and it created a Judge at Central Counting and that Judge would be of the party who gubernatorial candidate won the last election. That is how Precinct Election Judges are determined. Creating that Judge position in Central Counting took the power away from the County Clerk or Elections Administrator. The process was now fair to both parties.

The bill passed both the Texas House and Senate without a word being changed.

When this new bill, now a law, was passed and it was reported in our county paper, we were informed our Democrat County Clerk threw the paper across the room and was furious the rest of the day. Her power was gone and now there would be a Republican Judge running Central Counting. There would be an alternate judge of the opposing party just like at a precinct polling place.

If our County Clerk had not kept us out, my husband wouldn't have written that bill. That County Clerk cut her throat when she kept us out. The bill needed to be written, however, so all counties would have fair Central Counting Stations.

Do you see what I mean by knowing the rules (law)? You win if you know the rules.

68 posted on 05/16/2013 6:30:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Rufus2007

With Mexico on one side and the full force of the US on the other I am not sure that is the place I want to be.


69 posted on 05/16/2013 6:39:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: cld51860
I like that name for our new country: The Constitutional States of America.

I'd been thinking of the Independent States of America, but the Constitutional States feels closer to the mark. A worthy idea, cld51860!

70 posted on 05/16/2013 7:39:11 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Rufus2007

I'M IN!

Although I hate heat and humidity I'll leave my lifelong home,The Gay State,and move to North Carolina or Georgia.

Let them take the dozen states of the Northeast and Left Coast along with Illinois.We get all the oil and all the wheat...they get Detroit,the Bronx and Mexico.

71 posted on 05/16/2013 8:13:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Standing Wolf

Thanks, Wolf! Both work admirably well. I would prefer us always to be UNITED, but as we all know, there are nefarious forces at work. That sad reality has dawned on us all.


72 posted on 05/16/2013 8:58:08 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: JRandomFreeper

And contributed to the holding action that enabled Sam Houston to defeat Santa Ana at San Jacinto, and thus take Texas.


73 posted on 05/16/2013 10:07:47 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Rufus2007

If the obamination population is concentrated in the urban areas, I’m not sure why any state should have to secede.


74 posted on 05/16/2013 11:54:29 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: gorush
I believe there is a whole wing at the Limbaugh Institute that houses accountants who are there only to deal with the annual IRS audits.

Not true! Some of them also deal with New York state's tax collectors, and that's despite his having moved out ten years ago.
75 posted on 05/17/2013 3:42:37 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: patriotsoul; Marcella; txhurl; All
I belong to the Texas Nationalist Movement, a group of volunteers who are working for Texas Independence through a peaceful process. I got the hell out of Austin and am involved with the Bandera County group. TNM has a FB page and a website with lots of information about how well Texas would do as an independent nation.

I predict we would have a very "liberal" emigration policy and tight border control. I know many staunch Texas patriots of Mexican descent who are involved in our group. We also have people who have escaped from totalitarian regimes and are appalled at what has happened to the United States.

http://texnat.org/ Freepmail me with any questions.

76 posted on 05/17/2013 7:53:35 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: PapaNew

I think they’re pretty good. There’s a conservative majority in the Senate and the Gov has already said Obamacare would not be implemented in SC.

This, IMO, is a de facto secession.

The next steps will tell, however. There’s going to either be an attempt to enforce it by the feds, requiring SC to react,
or the feds will try to withhold some funding for highways, etc.

SC should, at that point, start redirecting payroll withholding to escrow until the situation is “resolved”.


77 posted on 05/17/2013 7:56:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Is SC prepared to forsake federal funding? If so, they’re on the right road.


78 posted on 05/17/2013 8:06:08 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

That would/should be part of their planning.

Like I said, the feds can withhold funding,
SC can then start redirecting parole withholding to escrow.


79 posted on 05/17/2013 8:12:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

South Carolina also has an active Secession movement. They have FB page as well as the Texas Nationalist Movement.


80 posted on 05/17/2013 9:01:07 AM PDT by austingirl
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