Posted on 01/20/2012 10:57:39 AM PST by GregNH
Defendant, President Barack Obama, a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination for the office of the President of the United States, has filed a motion to quash the subpoena compelling his attendance at the hearing on January 26, 2012.
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That would be plausible if it were not for the Newspaper birth announcements which came out of the Hawaii Department of health. Neither mom nor grandparents put those announcements there, the HDOH sent it to the paper as part of standard procedure.
Now the Birth announcements in the paper are working AGAINST Obama and his bastard theory.
Obama senior probably ‘reclaimed’ his namesake in 1971. The great Christmas meeting in Hawaii was not some casual trip.
SAD had come over from Indonesia, Obama Senior came over from Kenya and when the little event was done - Obama II is left with Gran and Granddad.
Would Gran and Granddad take custody of kid whose mother was a flake, married to foreign national and living in a foreign country and the father was father in name in only and a drunk and living in Kenya with no clear custody and guardianship?
Heck no. When SAD and BHO left in January of 1972 Obama II probably had gone through yet another citizenship/guardian ship change that probably started with Obama Senior reclaiming his son legally to terminate Lolo Soetoro’s parentage. Then he probably passed II over the gran and granddad. Thus for a week or 2 - Obama II was probably a 100% Kenyan. In 1971.
If the above is correct it is not the birth circumstance that is the worst problem - it is Indonesian adoption. And every time you mention Indonesia the Obots get worked up more than normal. Indonesia is a source of big problems here.
I’m not really seeing the point in discussing McCain any further. We could point to some Supreme Court cases that have cited Vattel specifically on the phrase about how the citizenship of children naturally follows the condition of the father. Second, the exclusions to the 14th amendment don’t make any sense unless those principles are applied to the children of our ambassadors and service men and women who are born abroad. Third, the Minor court said that in the Nationality Act of 1790 that “the children of citizens of the United States that might be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, should be considered as natural-born citizens. These provisions thus enacted have, in substance, been retained in all the naturalization laws adopted since.” The court says these provisions have been retained. I think this is the basis for the argument that George Romney was supposedly a natural-born citizen. If we’re going to have consistency, then the Supreme Court has recognized principles from Vattel and natural law, plus statutory law on nationality that declares person born abroad as being natural-born citizens. There’s also a common law argument that supports this idea too. Is it conclusive?? No. Does it matter in regards to Obama?? Even less. Let’s focus on the guy who is the actual problem. McCain is a distraction and a deflection.
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I know how you feel, I JUST finished my Chemistry forum posts.... meh. I DREAD the other homework, I have to do schematic 3d Power point images of Hydrocarbon chains and a whole crapload of naming.... (((shudder)))
“I still believe he was born elsewhere and the grandmother walked into a local Health Office and filled out the paperwork and that is how he was registered into the system.”
You and me both. He got some kind of scrap of paper (Grandma submitted and Abercrombie referenced) that registered him into the system and they’ve been trying to build a birth certificate around for some time.
He’s got NBC problems and “birth certificate” problems.
I don’t have it here, but I’ve read that generally speaking, bastards are considered stateless. The important thing is what the founders would have believed. Legitimacy is an issue that Vattel discusses in regards to the monarchy, but I’m not up to speed on it.
The bastard angle is not a good one for Obama, because he has to come up with a good story as to why he’s deceived the American public about this angle. As the Obots like to say, it’s well-known that Obama is the child of foreign national who never immigrated. He’s using the man’s name, for God’s sake and was a legacy at Harvard on the same basis. Further, unless the marriage was officially recognized as illegitimate under British law, we are bound by how the marriage was formally recognized under U.S. law, plus if Obama EVER traveled on a British or Kenyan passport ... he’s toast. There’s no way around it. And of course, he STILL has to legally prove whether or not he was born on U.S. soil. If Obama takes this track, he’s vindicating the entire so-called “birther” movement and justifying all the questions that have been leveled at him the last four years. This is going to be a P.R. nightmare for the Kenyan. And there’s still Grandma Sarah.
So I see a need to settle this for all.
Glad you agree.
Breaking:
Mike Huckabee on O’Reilly tonight: Did Obama Get Foreign Student Loans In College?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eb9sGq6Sfk&feature=player_embedded
“I’m not really seeing the point in discussing McCain any further.”
But how are the Obots going to keep on trolling without obfuscation and pointing to other people’s NBC status if they can’t reference McCain or Tebow or Rubio or Jindal or...
Obama is the focus here - legally. He’s the one usurping the presidency. They need to point fingers away from Obama.
Last time I checked McCain ATTEMPTED to become president. He did not succeed. The point is moot.
Obama has never proved that he “SHALL QUALIFY.”
I don’t think it’s hard to settle. Vattel is very compelling on the number of times it’s been cited for citizenship. Waite called it the “nomenclature” of which the founders were familiar. And the founders, in addition to rejecting common law, wrote a grandfather clause that bestowed honorary natural-born status on those who were NOT born in the United States but who came here to fight in the rebellion against Britain. It’s the rule that was going to make Alexander Hamilton eligible for office. They respected service to the country as the ultimate form of patriotism. Wasn’t there a French guy during the revolutionary war whose family was declared to be natural-born citizens in perpetuity (or something like that)?? As the Supreme Court said, the definiton for NBC is found OUTSIDE the Constitution, and it used the law of nations to define it. That same nomenclature would encompass McCain, IMO, but not George Romney.
Obama has a bad case of Cluster F**ked.
There were many of us that thought something was fishy about the marriage story.
If you recall, Michelle stated somewhere that Obama was born to a single mother.
If your read the Ulstermann Report - which Free Republic doesn’t like..there is an interesting story that is clearly talking about Dianne Feinstein who is the one who first announced Osama’s death - which was a signal to Obama to back off. She did it during the service of Kam Kuwata, who the insider apparently is claiming knew about some Obama stuff in Denver.
Ulsterman’s reading like Grisham.
Except it appears to be true....
And Issa’s going along with F&F?
I hope the WHI can stay among the living.
“bastards are considered stateless.”
“I am a citizen of the world.” Barack Hussein Obama, Berlin, 2008.
“Further, unless the marriage was officially recognized as illegitimate under British law”
You are incorrect in your hypothesis if you are indicating that Britain has to do some kind of act to make the marriage illegal. I am the first person that brought up this whole angle of the British law and marriage on this site and have been posting about it for some time.
One of the things that I kept telling the naysayers is that the law was to Obama’s advantage, and if necessary, he would use it .
On the face of the facts as we know them today as presented by Obama and family - Obama was born a bastard under British law...IF there was a marriage to Ann- which I don’t think there was- and IF Sr was married to someone else and not divorced.
I’ve never had a tagline but you’ve inspired me. LOL
“Obama’s got NBC problems and “birth certificate” problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.”
Oops let try that again.
Sispsey Street ( one of the breakers of F&F) seems to be indicating that Issa is caving. I haven’t given the site an in depth analysis as I was trying to figure out what the heck the “insider” site was saying about the various people involved.
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