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To: Seizethecarp

I don’t have it here, but I’ve read that generally speaking, bastards are considered stateless. The important thing is what the founders would have believed. Legitimacy is an issue that Vattel discusses in regards to the monarchy, but I’m not up to speed on it.

The bastard angle is not a good one for Obama, because he has to come up with a good story as to why he’s deceived the American public about this angle. As the Obots like to say, it’s well-known that Obama is the child of foreign national who never immigrated. He’s using the man’s name, for God’s sake and was a legacy at Harvard on the same basis. Further, unless the marriage was officially recognized as illegitimate under British law, we are bound by how the marriage was formally recognized under U.S. law, plus if Obama EVER traveled on a British or Kenyan passport ... he’s toast. There’s no way around it. And of course, he STILL has to legally prove whether or not he was born on U.S. soil. If Obama takes this track, he’s vindicating the entire so-called “birther” movement and justifying all the questions that have been leveled at him the last four years. This is going to be a P.R. nightmare for the Kenyan. And there’s still Grandma Sarah.


406 posted on 01/20/2012 7:37:58 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

“bastards are considered stateless.”

“I am a citizen of the world.” Barack Hussein Obama, Berlin, 2008.


416 posted on 01/20/2012 8:04:09 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: edge919

“Further, unless the marriage was officially recognized as illegitimate under British law”

You are incorrect in your hypothesis if you are indicating that Britain has to do some kind of act to make the marriage illegal. I am the first person that brought up this whole angle of the British law and marriage on this site and have been posting about it for some time.

One of the things that I kept telling the naysayers is that the law was to Obama’s advantage, and if necessary, he would use it .

On the face of the facts as we know them today as presented by Obama and family - Obama was born a bastard under British law...IF there was a marriage to Ann- which I don’t think there was- and IF Sr was married to someone else and not divorced.


417 posted on 01/20/2012 8:06:20 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: edge919
“I don’t have it here, but I’ve read that generally speaking, bastards are considered stateless. The important thing is what the founders would have believed. Legitimacy is an issue that Vattel discusses in regards to the monarchy, but I’m not up to speed on it.

“The bastard angle is not a good one for Obama, because he has to come up with a good story as to why he’s deceived the American public about this angle.”

Obama can claim that until the INS records were released with the publication of the book “The Other Barack” he had no idea that his father was a bigamous sexual predator at the time he was born, and, as he said in the Ayers scripted “Dreams,” he relied on his mother's stories about his father and mother's “hopes for the future” and their “improbable love.” It is obvious to the whole world that somebody lied (Stanley Ann or Barry) and Stanley Ann is dead so why not blame her and claim innocence if you are Barry?

Bastards (children of unmarried women, whether or not their father is on the BC or not) are not stateless and never were in the US back to the beginning. They have the “unitary” citizenship of their mother when born in US jurisdiction. This is especially true after WWII when international treaties and laws were pretty much universally changed to prevent stateless births around the world, IIRC.

441 posted on 01/20/2012 9:19:51 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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