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CARTOON: The Dawkins Delusion
Out of Order Blog ^ | 12-29-11 | Dale

Posted on 12/29/2011 1:01:09 PM PST by daletoons

Atheist militant Richard Dawkins has produced a children's book entitled "The Magic of Reality" and in doing so has joined the Millstone Swim and Dive Club. Spreading his venom for God to kids under the guise of Scientism is about as putrid as it gets. Children using simple God-given logic conclude the existence of a creator. It requires an abandonment of logic to attain self omniscience and declare there is no God. The materialist's faith in the escape hatch of "there just wasn't enough evidence for me" won't wash on judgement day. Here's a book idea: The ghost of Christopher Hitchens, Jacob Marley style, appears to Richard Dawkins and sets him straight. Dickey would probably make a hash of it, too bad Hitchens isn't still around to write it.



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To: mdmathis6
others who share a theistic frame of reference and know the philosophical ground on which they stand

Not at all. Your only frame of reference for goodness is God's Will. Unfortnately, none of you can agree on what is God's Will. For instance: in the Old Testament, God committed acts that we would generally consider Not Good. Wiping out whole communities, man, woman, and child, to give Canaan to the Israelites? Mass murder, even of children, in order to take their land, becomes "Good" if it was God's Will. Tsunamis and earthquakes and floods (oh, especially floods.) GOOD if it's God's will.

But then you get the theists arguing. Is cancer God's will? Some say yes. Some say no. Some say the Devil causes it, therefore it is bad. Others say "God takes us home" when he wants to, so it's wrong to even seek medical intervention. And of course, a whole range of thought in between. This is far shakier ground to stand on than anything I use to judge.

Really, if theism were so clear and comforting, you wouldn't have religious wars at all, especially between members of the same religion. I mean, people have been beheaded over transubstantiation. So theists may "know" what is right, but if one theist "knows" one thing and another theist "knows" another, you better hope neither of them has a weapon.

301 posted on 12/31/2011 9:27:57 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
He ignored a lot of the questions.

And he was rude -- and condescending -- beginning with his first post.

Did you notice that he signed up *yesterday* and his first post was on this thread?

And when pressed, he admitted to having surfed over from an atheist site, explicitly to help because you were getting your ass kicked.

He included the link you know, and anyone is free to follow through and read the thread over there.

And then he compounded the error by lying through his teeth about "350,000 atheists, free-thinkers, etc." laughing: when I checked the thread around midnight last night, there were *37* comments -- participation rate of one one-hundredth of one percent, *if* his original claim were true.

In other words, he came in as a n00b, swaggered around as though he owned the place, and got the ZOT.

But life has always been tough for the Prometheans, hasn't it?

I'll send more liver.

Cheers!

302 posted on 12/31/2011 9:29:34 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lakeshark

No, the way I explained it was perfectly sufficient. You just can’t accept it because the only way to argue, for you, is to try first and place both sides on an equal footing. But they are not equal. One side has a whole belief system, complete with characters, stories, rules, laws, proverbs, prophecies, a history, a projected future, a homeland, everything. The other side just says “I don’t believe that.”


303 posted on 12/31/2011 9:33:37 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
You're confusing the prefix a- with the prefix anti-. Athiest means a lack of belief in gods. There is nothing else that goes with it. It's not a belief system.

Actually, it is a belief system, just one which is too dishonest to own up to its own axioms (as axioms) much of the time: preferring instead to characterize them as "conclusions," thereby rendering atheism as the single largest case of cosmological solipsism ever seen.

cf for example Sagan's "The Cosmos...is all there is, all there was, all there will ever be. Billion billion billion." Dave Barry on Carl Sagan

Incidentally, one of the favorite games atheists play is to say to a Christian, "You and I are alike; I just believe in one fewer gods than you."

Which is exactly like a spinster saying to a married woman, "We're just alike; I'm just married to one less man than you."

FAIL.

Cheers!

304 posted on 12/31/2011 9:35:22 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: mdmathis6
Lewis and Schaeffer and Rene Decartes have been my mentors in chief...

That's nice. I don't tend to reference other people. I'd rather just think for myself. I will admit I read Ayn Rand and the transcendentalists, but I don't have anything memorized from them, and they themselves aren't very compatible. I don't consider them mentors or someone to reference in a debate. I just think of them as people who sometimes thought some of the same things I have.

305 posted on 12/31/2011 9:37:11 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: wintertime

Along those lines...up to the creation of man God was saying “let there be or Let the Earth bring forth”.....yet when it came to man...God’s language changes..”Let us CREATE man in our image and likeness” The Genesis describes the intimate direct action of God in creating man.


306 posted on 12/31/2011 9:39:03 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: mdmathis6; momtothree; drtom; A_perfect_lady
An atheist scientist is one who thinks he can infer the entire contents of Seurat's A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte, and conclude that there is neither a painter, nor such a thing as different schools of fashion in art, by examining the paint on a single pixel.

Cheers!

307 posted on 12/31/2011 9:39:34 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Not so.

You seem to have made a perfectly fine belief system for yourself, explaining it away by the use of prefixes, and you just can't accept that's all you've done.

You really should be able to do better if you're going to appoint yourself as the spokesperson of all logic.

308 posted on 12/31/2011 9:39:58 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: A_perfect_lady
My laundry is more pressing than this. Live real life, that's all I'm saying. Or if you can't, because taking care of you and yours and being a positive force in the community isn't enough to give you meaning and purpose, at least don't demand that everyone carefully live their lives in such a manner as not to ever contradict this delicate spider web of ancient stories that you live in.

So you have chosen John Wither over Augustus Frost.

BTW, why the importance of laundry, or yourself, if you're just worm chow anyway?

Yes, you have the felt intention to do things, but which should that have any influence on your actions?

(Shades of Sartre's Nausea...)

Cheers!

309 posted on 12/31/2011 9:42:34 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lakeshark

Okay, describe my belief system for me. Go ahead. Tell me the stories, name the characters, tell me the political stance that goes with it... and mind you, don’t tell me what YOU believe. Tell me what *I* believe. If you’re right, I’ll let you know.


310 posted on 12/31/2011 9:46:12 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: mdmathis6; A_perfect_lady
Since the lady seems to have a bee in her bonnet about FReepers hitting on her, and since she prides herself on intellectual attainment (she's a *schoolteacher*, just like Geraldine Ferraro trying to debate ex-CIA-head George W. Bush on national security), may I suggest she read C.S. Lewis's work on the socio-historical predecessor to today's "romantic love," the medieveal phenomenon of courtly love:

An Allegory of Love.

Good luck on keeping up with the literary allusions.

Cheers!

311 posted on 12/31/2011 9:49:46 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Nice change of the subject, but I think I'll wait for you to try to actually address what we're discussing.

All you have to do is say the obvious, your first sentence about belief and non belief was silly, obviously short sighted and ill thought out.

It's okay, I've done that lots of times too. Most times I own up to it though.

If you want to tell me about your "beliefs", I have no problem with that. Don't hit on me in Freepmail though....

Okay, okay, it was a joke.....

312 posted on 12/31/2011 9:51:04 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: A_perfect_lady
This is laughable.

Does God (as God) ever have the right to kill people?

If not, by what rule do YOU pronounce this, since on the atheist paradigm, all morality is subjective; and further, the universe as a whole (via Thermodynamics) is trending toward the ultimate eternal extinction of all life whatsoever...

Cheers!

313 posted on 12/31/2011 9:52:02 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Okay, describe my belief system for me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If the existence of a God(s) can not be proven on disproven then all opinions about His existence or non-existence must be based upon belief.

All sentient beings have a religious worldview: godless or God-centered. Neither of these worldviews is religiously neutral in political and cultural content or consequences.

How could it possibly be otherwise?

It is for this major reason ( among others) that I object to government funding of schooling or scientific research. The only exception that I would make ( that is also constitutionally compatible) would be for research that is **directly* and immediately related to military defense.

314 posted on 12/31/2011 9:54:05 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I don't consider them mentors or someone to reference in a debate. I just think of them as people who sometimes thought some of the same things I have.

And what made *your* thoughts the standard?

Cheers!

315 posted on 12/31/2011 9:56:12 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lakeshark
No, my first sentence was exactly correct. The lack of belief in your god is not a belief system. You are trying to start there (as many have tried before you) because you hope to maneuver the atheist into positing their "beliefs" so that you can put them on the defensive, rather than defend your own belief system. But atheists don't have a belief system in and of itself. Some embrace systems, but they tend to be value-based rather than belief-based. We may have values, we may have priorities, we may operate on assumptions (until they are proven wrong, in which case we adapt and keep going) but there is no belief system.

Which is why you can't tell me what I believe. I don't blame you for not trying. You can't describe what is not there.

316 posted on 12/31/2011 9:57:58 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Your sentence may have been grammatically correct, but honestly it had no logic to it.

I started with your own sentence, asked you to prove it, and so far you just keep moving the goal posts around without showing us why your "unbeliefs" are really not simply your beliefs.

I'm sticking with my challenge to you, and honestly you should be able to do better than what you're doing if you are the logician you claim to be.

317 posted on 12/31/2011 10:03:24 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
Remember what belief is: a conviction that something is true, even without evidence. You might describe my acceptance of the laws of physics as a "belief" but it isn't: I don't distrust gravity because all the evidence supports that gravity is in effect and will remain so. But if tomorrow I start floating, I'll abandon that assumption immediately, based on the evidence. Do you understand?
318 posted on 12/31/2011 10:04:19 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Lakeshark

I never claimed any such status, but my first sentence stands as it is: a true statement that you simply refuse to accept because it’s not advantageous.


319 posted on 12/31/2011 10:07:00 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: grey_whiskers; A_perfect_lady

He ignored a lot of the questions.

And he was rude — and condescending — beginning with his first post.

Did you notice that he signed up *yesterday* and his first post was on this thread?

And when pressed, he admitted to having surfed over from an atheist site, explicitly to help because you were getting your ass kicked.

He included the link you know, and anyone is free to follow through and read the thread over there.

And then he compounded the error by lying through his teeth about “350,000 atheists, free-thinkers, etc.” laughing: when I checked the thread around midnight last night, there were *37* comments — participation rate of one one-hundredth of one percent, *if* his original claim were true.

In other words, he came in as a n00b, swaggered around as though he owned the place, and got the ZOT.

****************************************************************************

You’re right at that. And just how did he know she was getting her ass kicked? Must have been watching or something.

He got the zot...

Such is the life of trolls. Or retreads.


320 posted on 12/31/2011 10:10:03 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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