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CARTOON: The Dawkins Delusion
Out of Order Blog ^ | 12-29-11 | Dale

Posted on 12/29/2011 1:01:09 PM PST by daletoons

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1 posted on 12/29/2011 1:01:14 PM PST by daletoons
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To: Jo Nuvark; DarthVader; SmithL; nmh; spirited irish; MitchellC; Stoutcat; Sneakyuser; darkwing104; ..

Happy New Year!


2 posted on 12/29/2011 1:05:11 PM PST by daletoons (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.)
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To: daletoons

Nice.


3 posted on 12/29/2011 1:12:41 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: daletoons

Cool!


4 posted on 12/29/2011 1:27:04 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: daletoons

Beautiful argument.. cartoons trump language dialect and even culture..

If the third human on this planet didn’t come from two other ones..
THEN; you Must make up a bodacious Yarn to explain it..


5 posted on 12/29/2011 1:31:30 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: daletoons

Evolution’s been bugging me lately.

Been learning a lot about fertility. It’s a darned complicated process when everything is there and working. Beyond just the organs necessary, there are all the various fluids, timing, pathways. How the heck did all this evolve if it has to be there in order for procreation. It’s worse than a chicken and egg dilemma.

I mean, you can’t get a woman pregnant with your elbow or any other vestigial organ. So how were our predecessor species procreating until evolution invented the various sex organs and evolved them into complementary and functioning systems for reproduction?

Were the predecessors of mammals spontaneously splitting into two organisms to procreate while waiting for the sex organs to catch up?


6 posted on 12/29/2011 1:31:41 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: daletoons

Love the cartoon and love the name of the Millstone Swim and Dive Club !! Please keep it up!


7 posted on 12/29/2011 1:44:07 PM PST by linton59 (. bitter,typical,gun-toting,Bible thumping, indigenous, disinfranchised, 1 of the chattering classes)
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To: daletoons

Bttt


8 posted on 12/29/2011 1:51:10 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: daletoons; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; r9etb; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; ...
Oh Boy!

. . . here we go.

9 posted on 12/29/2011 2:05:34 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: chrisser
It is a dilemma. If the first life was a single cell creature that reproduced by splitting, and all life evolved thereafter from that one spark, then somewhere along that unbroken chain life evolved from asexual to sexual reproduction.

If this occurred as a single random mutation, then it was one heck of a miracle to have two fully functioning systems, with all the parts and processes, and that these would be complementary to each other.

If sexual reproduction evolved in incremental steps, then the "survival of the fittest" part of the theory would imply a competitive advantage at each step of the evolutionary process but I fail to see the competitive advantage of a half evolved sexual reproductive system. Even getting past this, it is still a miracle that two systems could incrementally evolve to functional maturity, (through random mutation mind you), and at the end be perfectly complementary.

10 posted on 12/29/2011 2:21:34 PM PST by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: daletoons
Children using simple God-given logic conclude the existence of a creator.

Children conclude that the creepy guy in the van just wants to give you candy. Children's logic is not something we should be holding up as a guide. But there is an element of truth here: we think there's a God because mankind, operating like a child, decided that SOMEONE must have made this place. After all... it's a quick, neat answer and you don't have to think anymore after that.

And ever since then, any charismatic fellow who is articulate enough can convince people that this SOMEONE spoke to him and now y'all better listen up. Worked for Abraham, worked for Moses, worked for Jesus, worked for Mohammed, worked for Jim Jones, worked for that nut who started the Mormon church... all you need is a tall, intense, good-looking man who can talk him a good one, and you've got you another religion! All endorsed by the Someone Who Must Have Made It All, After All, Here It Is.

11 posted on 12/29/2011 2:34:04 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Mr. K; John O

ping


12 posted on 12/29/2011 2:40:15 PM PST by null and void (Day 1073 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: daletoons

“With all this evolutionary material, there’s got to be a pony in here somewhere!”


13 posted on 12/29/2011 2:40:33 PM PST by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon... and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: A_perfect_lady

Minor quibble. He doesn’t need to be someone ‘who can talk him a good one’.

Just someone who can seamlessly switch back and forth between two teleprompters...


14 posted on 12/29/2011 2:43:44 PM PST by null and void (Day 1073 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Teotwawki
Once lifeforms become more complex (i.e. with specialized cells) a pure cell splitting process won't work anymore and reproductive systems that carry the entire genetic code evolve.

Some plants can get by on self-pollination but, again, with rising complexity, you need two partners in order to avoid cumulative deterioration ("the incest syndrome").

Next step up are hermaphroditic lifeforms (mostly invertebrates) which do not have separate sexes. In these groups, hermaphroditism is a normal condition, enabling a form of sexual reproduction in which both partners can act as the "female" or "male".

Some hermaphroditic individual animals favour to act as a particular gender (although the other set of reproductive organs seems to be fully intact) which could be argued as the forerunner for split sexes.

Through evolutionary processes one set of organs gradually ceases to function while the other is being enhanced. Do this over a few hundred million years and you have a new taxonomic group of lifeforms that presents with two distinct sexes.

In a nutshell, you are correct: the two sets of organs did not evolve separately and turn out to be complementary "by accident".
15 posted on 12/29/2011 2:48:04 PM PST by drtom
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To: Teotwawki

In addition to the elegance of the DESIGN of the myriad species and kinds of creatures, e.g., every living creature having the eyes, ears, etc. at the correct end of its body, etc; there being NO, NONE, ZIP, NADA fossil evidence for ANY trial-and-error examples, which evolution would have produced in hoardes in every species, such as birdlike creatures with either NO wings, or only ONE wing, or two wings but diSplaced and inoperable, etc. Such as all pertinent kinds being elegantly designed and streamlined in the optimum direction as birds, fish, etc. all were DESIGNED to be.

But in addition to all that; and I hasten to say I am not an authority on genitalia; but as a farm kid, I learned a few things which reinforce my certainty of God’s sense of humor by some of the ways He designed the genitalia of certain animals’ such as the CORKSCREW PENIS of swine...and the forked penis of raccoons. And obviously the female plumbing of each was DESIGNED to mate with that of the corresponding male, and would not function successfully otherwise.

Dja’ know what God thinks of guys like Hawking? HE THAT SITTETH IN THE HEAVENS SHALL LAUGH; HE SHALL HOLD THEM IN DERISION! And they shall have THEIR part in the lake of fire!


16 posted on 12/29/2011 2:56:15 PM PST by Tucker39
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Been learning a lot about fertility. It’s a darned complicated process when everything is there and working. Beyond just the organs necessary, there are all the various fluids, timing, pathways. How the heck did all this evolve if it has to be there in order for procreation. It’s worse than a chicken and egg dilemma.

And throw in the gestation period, then need for critical timing for that gestation, a couple weeks either way and viability is threatened, not to mention that a full term pregnant female would be an EASY target for predators.....

Then there's the feeding the baby part. Lactation must be perfectly suited for the baby's arrival both in terms of quality for completely nourishing the baby until he can eat and timing so that the baby doesn't starve to death. That had to develop at the same time as the ability to reproduce, no less.

Not to mention that nine months is a LOOOOONNNNNGGGG time to be pregnant.

17 posted on 12/29/2011 3:25:00 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: A_perfect_lady; Teotwawki
Children conclude that the creepy guy in the van just wants to give you candy. Children's logic is not something we should be holding up as a guide. But there is an element of truth here: we think there's a God because mankind, operating like a child, decided that SOMEONE must have made this place. After all... it's a quick, neat answer and you don't have to think anymore after that.

Fine. Then please address the observation found in post 10 by Teotwawki

It is a dilemma. If the first life was a single cell creature that reproduced by splitting, and all life evolved thereafter from that one spark, then somewhere along that unbroken chain life evolved from asexual to sexual reproduction.

If this occurred as a single random mutation, then it was one heck of a miracle to have two fully functioning systems, with all the parts and processes, and that these would be complementary to each other.

If sexual reproduction evolved in incremental steps, then the "survival of the fittest" part of the theory would imply a competitive advantage at each step of the evolutionary process but I fail to see the competitive advantage of a half evolved sexual reproductive system. Even getting past this, it is still a miracle that two systems could incrementally evolve to functional maturity, (through random mutation mind you), and at the end be perfectly complementary.

18 posted on 12/29/2011 3:29:13 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

A simple “we don’t know yet” is enough for rational people. Who on earth comes up with SOME BIG INVISIBLE MAGIC CREATURE DID IT! LET’S FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WANTS! I mean, seriously?


19 posted on 12/29/2011 3:43:34 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

You’ve proven that we’re all born worshippers. Only one person on your list is worthy of it.


20 posted on 12/29/2011 3:45:24 PM PST by daletoons (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.)
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