Gee...sounds like you are a Flying Inman! Have you been called murderer, arsonist, jihadist? Remember, "sticks and stones may hurt my bones?.....also, "If you can't stand the heat...."
Posted on 05/24/2011 4:07:08 PM PDT by ken5050
As we enter the GOP primary season, I'm starting to notice more and more an annoying trend here in FR. It seems as though everytime there's an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con, it nearly always devolves into an extended, and acrimonious discussion about the Mormon faith. Those who defend it, and those who, for whatever reasons, can't abide it, both sides seem determined to wage an "end of times" batte on all the FR threads. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and just wish it would stop. I think that probably 99% of others here feel the same way.
Brigham Young said, "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).
Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).
Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).
{I really like this next one...}
Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).
{Uhm, hello!!?? Alma "said" it.}
Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated, "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547). "And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).
Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211).
Tormenting people on the Internet gives exceptionally poor testimony to the validity of Christianity. Taking pleasure in torturing people is decidedly un-Christian. People who are secure in their belief don't need to engage in this kind of behavior. It's reminiscent of the aggressive atheists, whom Alan Watts characterized as: "There is no God, and I am His prophet."
If your goal were to convice, and ultimately to convert, you would temper your remarks so as to appeal to the intellect rather than to provoke an angry, emotional response. Bullying people doesn't convince them. It is, instead, the action of insecure people whose primary need is to convince themselves.
The pair of you are stellar examples of exactly the kind of posters FR would be improved without.
Gee...sounds like you are a Flying Inman! Have you been called murderer, arsonist, jihadist? Remember, "sticks and stones may hurt my bones?.....also, "If you can't stand the heat...."
Really now...
I love the whole "debunked" thing you do, so let play one that actually works out to really be debunked...
“The birth of our Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it
was the result of NATURAL ACTION. He partook of FLESH AND BLOOD—was begotten
of his father, as we were of our fathers.” (JoD, vol. 8, p. 115).
“When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in
his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the
Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he (Christ) took a
tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in Heaven, AFTER THE SAME MANNER as
the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam
and Eve. Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same
character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven.”
(JoD 1:50-51, also “Answers”, vol. 5, p. 121).
DU, I am sure you are familiar with the words of your “prophets’ in the JoD other wise known as the Journal of Discourses...
Of course there is more...
"Jesus Christ is the Son of Elohim both as spiritual and bodily OFFSPRING; that is to say, Elohim is LITERALLY the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the BODY in which Jesus Christ performed his mission in the flesh..." (as quoted from 'The Articles of Faith' by James E. Talmage, p. 466). "We are told in the scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God in the flesh....how are children begotten? I answer, just as Jesus was begotten of his Father. The Christian denominations believe that Christ was begotten not of God, but of the spirit that overshadowed his mother. THIS IS NONSENSE. Why will they not believe the Father when He says that Jesus Christ is His Only Begotten Son? Why will they try to EXPLAIN THIS TRUTH AWAY and make mystery of it?" (as quoted from Joseph F. Smith, 'Box Elder Times,' Sep. 22, 1914).
"The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term lawful wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully........He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary IN THE CAPACITY OF A HUSBAND, and beget a Son.......Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. It may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity." Apostle Orson Pratt, "The Seer," Oct. 1853, p. 158).
So exactly whose minds were in the gutter, and come to think of it where is that gutter?
“Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?”
Agree. Ditto for the Catholic stuff. Even the Baptist stuff... and I “are one”.
They’re dead Jim!
are the 52,000 mormon missionaries not going to knock on my door and bash my religion anymore then ??? [tennessee nana]
Yup. More irony.
It's usually the "find another hobby" lobby posters who ne'er say a single word to Lds missionaries spending 6 days a week imposing upon others with their doorbell rings & doorknocks.
Add it up. If 26,000 pairs of Lds missionaries make 40 contacts per day, that's over a million contacts per day -- 6 million per week.
Somehow, that doesn't seem to bother the "find another hobby" lobby.
But if a handful of FR posters makes 40 posts every few days; posts that don't carry a doorbell ring to it and don't have to be answered...that becomes for some reason so alarming.
Tell us Cantabile: Have you ever told Mormon missionaries to "find another hobby?" (If not, why not?) Why the discrepancy, especially when the Mormons are so more imposing?
Seems to me that 6 million-per-week imposing contacts is a LOT more bothersome than several hundred e-postings exposing the other side!
You can get that stuff from the MSM.
In fact, VIRGIN BIRTHS today number in the millions among some species ~ we are next (if we can find enough virgins eh!)
Folks who hang their theological hat on what they perceive to be immutable biological processes are probably doomed to finding a lot of it consigned to the dustbins of history.
"So if you ask a candidate boxers or briefs and he answers it then becomes a legitimate basis for attacking them?"
Comparing a man's professed religious beliefs which by his own admission inform his life choices and decisions to his underwear choices which have zero impact on his life decisions is an alinskyesque tactic which comes down to nothing but hidden ridicule of the more grave issue. One would almost be tempted to believe such an poster has been through Millett's Momronism Missionaries class teaching how to deceive questioners of Mormonism!
Of course in Mormon speak the fact will still no “debunk” the statement.
Of course in Mormon speak the fact will still no “debunk” the statement.
Tormenting people on the Internet gives exceptionally poor testimony to the validity of Christianity
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But tormenting people at their own front doors gives exceptionally good testimony to the invalidity of Mormonism
Very...
You know, it sounds like you need a "vacation" to a real place on earth where people are "tormented" and "tortured."
Because it seems like until then you will continue to be a horrible Catholic witness because you not only are exaggerating what is happening online in these discussions, but you thereby by way of your exaggeratory strawman arguments undermine the reality of what true torture and torment is all about.
It's usually elitist Westerners who either ignore persecution within history and amongst Christians in other countries who so freely bandy about such words with no regard for how it disrespects true torture and tormented people.
If your goal were to convice, and ultimately to convert, you would temper your remarks so as to appeal to the intellect rather than to provoke an angry, emotional response. Bullying people doesn't convince them. It is, instead, the action of insecure people whose primary need is to convince themselves.
If you think this comment of yours would actually convince, then why did you try to psycho-analyze complete strangers from afar as if you could either read their minds or motivations (your use of the word "insecure" coupled with your pretended all-knowing omniscience which supposedly knows exactly what their "primary need" is)???
Gee. Why would anybody bother to pray to a saint when they could go to you and you could tell them what their real "primary need" was?
Using complete-stranger psycho-analysis to inwardly judge the motivations of another is actually a form of judgmental verbal bullying -- which is quite ironic since you accuse these posters of doing that in the very sentence before!
So what are we to believe? Your preaching of "Thou shalt not bully!" Or your practice of it? You have refuted thyself!
If your goal
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My goal is to educate the lurkers about the false religion mormonism
inform those who may not knoe that mormonism is NOT Christianity
expose the disgusting anti-Christian beginnings and doctrines of Mormonism
whats your goal ???
I dare say that no religion can guarantee you a place in heaven
That's where your belonging to the LDS un-Christian cult has led you wrong.
Pure Christianity guarantees a place in heaven for those that believe sincerely and repent.
Find the verses yourself.
there are many people in many religions that will surprise you by getting there.
It would suprize God too. Sorry, people that have rejected a relationship with Jesus Christ and don't repent from that condemn themselves.
(There is no back door to heaven, but of course Joseph Smith says he is going to be at the gate deciding who gets in, so no problem for you. But look out, it is a false gate and there is quite a bit of heat behind it)
FYI you ain't Jesus
Dang, caught me.
Pretty mormon of you as your leaders have proclaimed themselves god and the ONLY way to salvation. Look it up yourself.
it's mighty presumptuous and unchristian to say you know who is saved and who is not. Aren't you the consummate hypocrite, as quoted from you above:
"I dare say that no religion can guarantee you a place in heaven, and there are many people in many religions that will surprise you by getting there."
We as individuals declare ourselves to be followers of him, or not, and he confirms us later
That may be the teachings from the non-Christian LDS teachings, but is un Biblical.
Declaring isn't repenting and following.
When a person prays the prayer of salvation sincerely and repents, God confirms it that moment.
I'm not Jesus, so I don't get a vote.
You can become a god, so you do?
Syncro, with the gloves off.
Perhaps the main cause was that the COC couldn't swallow the fiction that Smith was a "prophet" speaking personally to God, and was given "golden plates" from which he "translated" a fantastic tale and claimed it was an "addition to the Bible". Along with of course the polygamy.
My understanding of the COC is that rather than adding all the arcane rituals, laws, and ridiculous notions of "exaltation" that is mormonism, they wanted to "restore" the simpler times of Paul and others with the emphasis on Christ and His simple message without all the trappings that had been attached down through the centuries.
Bump your #366
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