Posted on 10/15/2009 11:23:27 PM PDT by American Dream 246
What's Glenn Beck Up To? Something Big, He Says Hey -- we like conspiracies too! Here's one, with some fact attached to it: conservative media icon Glenn Beck is planning something big -- very big -- for 2010. On his radio show yesterday, Beck alluded to a major nationwide mobilization project of some kind that he and some colleagues will soon announce. "If you think the 9/12 project was something...you ain't seen nothing yet," he said (roughly -- I didn't have a pen handy when he uttered this). Beck's 9/12 project brought tens of thousands of his ideological compatriots to rallies in D.C., and thousands more at rallies across the country. The event, he insisted, was "non-political" -- about sending a message to leaders that the feeling of American solidarity the day after 9/11/01 was worth fighting for. But Beck, at the time, also announced a follow-on project, "2010: In Or Out," asking people to determine whether their elected representatives support a five-part pledge. That was the first step, he implied, of several to come.
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Two million of us!
Just saw Glenn Beck cry on TV. It felt like he was about to say “go to your window, stick out your head and shout ‘i’m mad as hell and i’m not gonna take this ANYMORE!’”.
From the article:
And Beck's relationship with the official organs of the Republican Party is, to the say the least, strained. He doesn't care for the national party, and they keep him at arm's length.
And, of course, Beck claims to be non-partisan. Conservative, yes, but disdainful of the GOP, with no vested interest in seeing Republicans return to power, either.
...but maybe Beck will try something more subtle.
I have been sounding this klaxon on these threads for some time now, always provoking a visceral reaction among Beck fans of whom I count myself one. The problem with Glenn Beck is that he does not seek to reform the Republican Party, he seeks to marginalize it. If he succeeds in moving the electorate only a couple of centimeters in a direction away from the Republican Party, he will ensure victory for the Democrats. If Obama prevails again, there really might not be any coming back for America.
Beck is acting out of a common but fatal misconception of the role of the political party in American political history. He will accomplish nothing if he tries something "more subtle" than the opposite of what he desires. His efforts and our efforts should be bent toward reforming the Republican Party to make it the political apparatus of the conservative movement. We do not need a Libertarian party competing with the Republican Party. But we do need a 50 state organization capable of raising hundreds of millions of dollars and capable of imposing discipline on a selected members. Glenn Beck will produce none of that he will instead, with the brightest of intentions, pipe us down a path to inevitable electoral destruction.
Thank you Lord for Glen Beck. Thank you that your hand, blessing, favor and your protection is him. Thank for your angels that you have assigned to protect him while he fight to save this republic from its enemies, foreign and domestic. In Jesus name, I pray, amen.
Glenn hasn’t let me down yet!
I'm not going to be coerced to accept the status quo by scare tactics from the RINOs. It isn't leading anywhere but further to the left.
Address the issues, scrap the scare tactics, they aren't going to work this time!
If these were normal times I would be much more inclined to tolerate defection from the party. But these are not normal times and the Republic may not be able to tolerate another Obama administration.
You are so right. The jury is out as to whether we can survive these first four years. My concern is Beck’s success may be going to his head and he may be thinking he is some sort of political pied piper. However, we conservatives are not easily corralled and the mushy middle is easily influenced. We could very easily see an Obama second term with him getting only a third of the votes if a third party comes into the equation and he’s pretty much always going to have a third of the votes no matter how bad it gets.
Two million won't win an election. Neither will ten million. However, two million defecting will lose an election and we don't have the time anymore to teach lessons.
Beck's 9/12 project brought tens of thousands of his ideological compatriots to rallies in D.C., and thousands more at rallies across the country. The event, he insisted, was "non-political" -- about sending a message to leaders that the feeling of American solidarity the day after 9/11/01 was worth fighting for. But Beck, at the time, also announced a follow-on project, "2010: In Or Out," asking people to determine whether their elected representatives support a five-part pledge. That was the first step, he implied, of several to come.
God lets things go to hell every 20-30 years so we realize we need Him. The Old Testament says this happens two or three times in a persons life.
Like 1980-81, God is going to swoop in and radically change things in a matter of months. Fear not and be strong!
As the Psalms say: He will judge with righteousness and justice.
It always gets darkest right before the dawn.
The "GOP leaders" need to talk to us, I, personally, am not about to go begging for an audience with them. Their heads are over inflated already!
Most FReepers who cavalierly throw the Republican Party over the side have no idea how irreplaceable the apparatus and sheer momentum of the organization is. The next presidential election will probably cost more than 1 billion dollars and it cannot be won, nor can control of the House or Senate be won, by a gaggle of grass roots amateurs no matter how pure their hearts or how distasteful the bile in their mouths.
I understand fully the frustration over the pusillanimity of the Republican Party. I claim second place to no Freeper in sounding warnings going back before the 2006 election that the course being set by George Bush was dooming the Republican Party.
I cannot agree that abandoning the Republican Party as the vehicle to carry us to that end is the prudent path. Some time ago I drafted this reply, but I cannot be sure that it was posted:
Governing is about exercising power. Political parties are about appropriating that power to one's own purpose. The founding fathers created a government containing many checks and balances in an effort to frustrate human tendency to consolidate power in one tyrant or, on the other hand, to concede power to the mob. Political parties in America are designed to overcome the checks and balances put by the framers into the Constitution.
The peculiar architecture of the American federal system with its bicameral legislatures, tripartite "coequal" branches of government, staggered elections for various branches, Constitutional limitations of government power especially freedom of the press and speech, are designed to make government impotent in the absence of a general consensus. The purpose of political parties is to provide that consensus for its constituents' point of view, to provide a consensus about how power should be wielded across the various competing entities of government.
The peculiar architecture of the American federal political system with its checks and balances means that it functions properly as a two-party system. Any successful attempt to form a third political party invariably condemns the political party from which it shoots off and to which it is most closely ideologically aligned to oblivion. Since it is human nature to entertain incessant arguments over the proper application of political power, political parties in America have developed a survival mechanism, they co-opt the principle grievances of the splinter group and make the dissidents' platform their own. This has been the history of political parties in America since the beginning. When a new ideology becomes popular, one party or the other seeks to absorb it.
If the party misjudges the public mood and embraces a splinter ideology in an effort to co-opt when that ideology is too radical to be palatable to the general public, the party loses the next election because it moves out of the mainstream. If the party misjudges the other way and declines to co-opt a movement which happens to be of sufficient strength, the party loses the next election because it has fractured its base. If a party attempts to absorb views of the other party, or approaching that of the other party, it risks losing the next election by alienating its own base. If it fails to absorb views approaching the ideology of the other party, it risks losing the next election by isolating itself to its own base.
Political parties are eternally faced with the same dilemma: should the party dilute its core message to attract less ideologically motivated voters or should it confine itself to a pure message and energize its core constituents? In attempting to solve these tensions, political parties are like amoebas or yeasts, everlastingly dividing or growing.
These realities which have been laid out above are regarded to be descriptive not necessarily desirable. The first reality is that America functions with a two-party system. Any deviation from that dialectic means that the system is wrecked and the dissidents almost always engage in self-defeating behavior which brings governance to the other end of the political system and accomplishes precisely the opposite of what they intend. This is of course not always the case as when the nation is confronted with a tectonic issue such as slavery. But it was the case for example with many other movements in America. Strong movements are absorbed by one or the other of the political parties and unpopular dissident movements simply die off.
The question is how does the conservative movement seize the Republican Party and exploit that vehicle to bring conservative governance to the country and save the republic from Obama? Despite what I wrote above concerning the eternal give-and-take between absorption and rejection of splinter movements by a political party, I nevertheless believe that a political party, especially one that enjoys ideological agreement by a 60+ percent of the country, wins elections by the purity of its message. Anyone who can find an inconsistency between the prior post and the following post can make the most of it.
I wrote the following reply before the debacle of last election but in anticipation of the disaster to come. Here is a portion of a post which I published before the election in response to a politico article calling for Republicans and conservatives to move left to fill the big tent:
As we conservatives drag the remnants of our movement into the wilderness with no idea how we will emerge or whether we will ever emerge as an electoral force in America which is recognizable by my generation, we must inevitably engage ourselves in the most soul- searing inquiry of what went wrong. This will be an agony but equally it will be effective only to the degree that it hurts. It will not succeed without bloodshed. There must be finger-pointing and bloodletting. We must carve to the bone. The process must be Darwinian. Those whose ideas are false must be bayoneted on the trail.
The object is to find our soul - nothing less. In a come to Jesus sense we must get absolutely clear what it means to be a conservative. Only at this point do we look to the tent flaps and open them. Those who cannot subscribe to the hard-won consensus, to a confession of faith as to what is a conservative, should walk out through that flap. Those who are attracted from the outside to the core message of conservatism should be encouraged to walk through the flap and enlarge the tent. What the left wants us to do is to expand the census in the tent prematurely and thus turn a movement into a menagerie.
The Soul-searching must be conducted by conservatives without the earnest ministrations from liberals like those of Politico. This article, of course, has nothing whatever to do with explaining why Republicans lost 2008 election across the board, it has everything to do with first efforts by the left to sabotage the rebuilding process on the right which must be done exclusively by the right.
We did not lose the 2008 election because we were excessively partisan while Obama was enlightened and transcendental. We actually lost the election because George Bush and Karl Rove betrayed the soul of conservatism. A party without its soul is like an army which does not believe in itself, it cannot win the next contest. A party which had abandoned its principles and so lost the last two elections and frittered away both its power as the ruling coalition and its status as the majority philosophy of the nation, cannot expect to swell its ranks by recruiting to a lost cause. The party must first know what the cause is and only then can it recruit. To again borrow the military analogy, a party like an army disintegrates without a mission. Armies are assigned missions but a political party finds its mission only through soul-searching.
As this process occurs we will be told by the left that only a big tent party can win and that to become a big tent one must move to co-opt the center. That is not how it works. That is the reverse of the way it works. The center is not peopled by voters with fixed notions about the exercise of power who wait for one of the great political parties to surrender their values and embrace the tempered and resolute opinions of the middle. That happens with splinter parties but not with the mushy middle. When an unaffiliated voter bestirs himself to enter the polling booth he is confronted with one of two options: right or left. He does not consider who has moved the farthest geographically from right to the left or left to right any more than he commits because of his own long held political beliefs. He votes for the fella who best tickles his fancy at the moment. Put more charitably, he votes for the candidate who persuades that he is the best, and has the best to offer.
If we as conservatives do not believe that we have the best to offer we should get out of the business. A candidate, like a party, who is centered on his philosophy and who has integrity will simply be persuasive.
Because of his race, Obama was asked only to demonstrate that he could walk and talk like a president. Obama has won the middle, not because he pandered to them, which he did, but because he had the wind at his back.
As John McCain reverts from titular head of the Republican Party to United States Senator, it falls to the rest of us to contrive a governing philosophy which he, unfortunately, did not own and therefore could not bequeath to us. We had such a legacy from Ronald Reagan but we squandered it. We must construct our own. We must do it in the wilderness. We must do it unaided by intermeddling liberals. Their's is the serpent's way, the easy way, a pander to the superficially popular, the accommodation to the middle. The bed of birth has always been a bed of pain. The pain must be embraced if we are to receive a new life.
History has already taught us the Republican party is NOT going to honor its conservative base while winning elections.
No amount of pedantry is going to change that fact.
The RINOS have marginalized the GOP. Beck serves as a clarion call to that fact and the march of the Democrats toward total totalitarianism with the aid of RINOS in the GOP.
We’re either gonna get to Communism a little bit slower by continuing to support Republicans, or a lot faster if we simply refuse to let this thing drag on and withdraw our support of Republicans who don’t stand up for our conservative principals.
American citizens outside of our sphere of people “in the know” here on FR are NOT GONNA GET IT unless it comes to them swiftly in the night.
Do you understand? We need a critical mass of people to GET IT and RIGHT NOW!
THERE IS A REVOLUTION COMING!!! It’s either gonna be Obama’s or it’s gonna be ours. But the GOP isn’t gonna go there. So we must go there on our own and en masse and NOW!
A CONSERVATIVE estimate of one million......more likely upwards of two million. A number so staggering the official estimate of people attending was not released and suppressed by the white house........
I hope Beck has something big.
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