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To: riri; SWAMPSNIPER
I have been concerned for some time about the thoughtless tendency to abandon the Republican Party as though that somehow is the path to electoral majority. Any competent historian, any political scientist will tell us that that is the path, not to majority, but to oblivion. One has to search American history back to the Whigs to find a dominant party that was subordinated by a new party, in that case the Republicans. But the history of third-party movements including vegetarians, prohibitionists, Bull Moose, Ross Perot, Libertarian, free silver, Dixiecrat, Populist, and nudists have all either been absorbed by one of the two major parties or evaporated into nothingness.

Most FReepers who cavalierly throw the Republican Party over the side have no idea how irreplaceable the apparatus and sheer momentum of the organization is. The next presidential election will probably cost more than 1 billion dollars and it cannot be won, nor can control of the House or Senate be won, by a gaggle of grass roots amateurs no matter how pure their hearts or how distasteful the bile in their mouths.

I understand fully the frustration over the pusillanimity of the Republican Party. I claim second place to no Freeper in sounding warnings going back before the 2006 election that the course being set by George Bush was dooming the Republican Party.

I cannot agree that abandoning the Republican Party as the vehicle to carry us to that end is the prudent path. Some time ago I drafted this reply, but I cannot be sure that it was posted:

Governing is about exercising power. Political parties are about appropriating that power to one's own purpose. The founding fathers created a government containing many checks and balances in an effort to frustrate human tendency to consolidate power in one tyrant or, on the other hand, to concede power to the mob. Political parties in America are designed to overcome the checks and balances put by the framers into the Constitution.

The peculiar architecture of the American federal system with its bicameral legislatures, tripartite "coequal" branches of government, staggered elections for various branches, Constitutional limitations of government power especially freedom of the press and speech, are designed to make government impotent in the absence of a general consensus. The purpose of political parties is to provide that consensus for its constituents' point of view, to provide a consensus about how power should be wielded across the various competing entities of government.

The peculiar architecture of the American federal political system with its checks and balances means that it functions properly as a two-party system. Any successful attempt to form a third political party invariably condemns the political party from which it shoots off and to which it is most closely ideologically aligned to oblivion. Since it is human nature to entertain incessant arguments over the proper application of political power, political parties in America have developed a survival mechanism, they co-opt the principle grievances of the splinter group and make the dissidents' platform their own. This has been the history of political parties in America since the beginning. When a new ideology becomes popular, one party or the other seeks to absorb it.

If the party misjudges the public mood and embraces a splinter ideology in an effort to co-opt when that ideology is too radical to be palatable to the general public, the party loses the next election because it moves out of the mainstream. If the party misjudges the other way and declines to co-opt a movement which happens to be of sufficient strength, the party loses the next election because it has fractured its base. If a party attempts to absorb views of the other party, or approaching that of the other party, it risks losing the next election by alienating its own base. If it fails to absorb views approaching the ideology of the other party, it risks losing the next election by isolating itself to its own base.

Political parties are eternally faced with the same dilemma: should the party dilute its core message to attract less ideologically motivated voters or should it confine itself to a pure message and energize its core constituents? In attempting to solve these tensions, political parties are like amoebas or yeasts, everlastingly dividing or growing.

These realities which have been laid out above are regarded to be descriptive not necessarily desirable. The first reality is that America functions with a two-party system. Any deviation from that dialectic means that the system is wrecked and the dissidents almost always engage in self-defeating behavior which brings governance to the other end of the political system and accomplishes precisely the opposite of what they intend. This is of course not always the case as when the nation is confronted with a tectonic issue such as slavery. But it was the case for example with many other movements in America. Strong movements are absorbed by one or the other of the political parties and unpopular dissident movements simply die off.

The question is how does the conservative movement seize the Republican Party and exploit that vehicle to bring conservative governance to the country and save the republic from Obama? Despite what I wrote above concerning the eternal give-and-take between absorption and rejection of splinter movements by a political party, I nevertheless believe that a political party, especially one that enjoys ideological agreement by a 60+ percent of the country, wins elections by the purity of its message. Anyone who can find an inconsistency between the prior post and the following post can make the most of it.

I wrote the following reply before the debacle of last election but in anticipation of the disaster to come. Here is a portion of a post which I published before the election in response to a politico article calling for Republicans and conservatives to move left to fill the big tent:

As we conservatives drag the remnants of our movement into the wilderness with no idea how we will emerge or whether we will ever emerge as an electoral force in America which is recognizable by my generation, we must inevitably engage ourselves in the most soul- searing inquiry of what went wrong. This will be an agony but equally it will be effective only to the degree that it hurts. It will not succeed without bloodshed. There must be finger-pointing and bloodletting. We must carve to the bone. The process must be Darwinian. Those whose ideas are false must be bayoneted on the trail.

The object is to find our soul - nothing less. In a come to Jesus sense we must get absolutely clear what it means to be a conservative. Only at this point do we look to the tent flaps and open them. Those who cannot subscribe to the hard-won consensus, to a confession of faith as to what is a conservative, should walk out through that flap. Those who are attracted from the outside to the core message of conservatism should be encouraged to walk through the flap and enlarge the tent. What the left wants us to do is to expand the census in the tent prematurely and thus turn a movement into a menagerie.

The Soul-searching must be conducted by conservatives without the earnest ministrations from liberals like those of Politico. This article, of course, has nothing whatever to do with explaining why Republicans lost 2008 election across the board, it has everything to do with first efforts by the left to sabotage the rebuilding process on the right which must be done exclusively by the right.

We did not lose the 2008 election because we were excessively partisan while Obama was enlightened and transcendental. We actually lost the election because George Bush and Karl Rove betrayed the soul of conservatism. A party without its soul is like an army which does not believe in itself, it cannot win the next contest. A party which had abandoned its principles and so lost the last two elections and frittered away both its power as the ruling coalition and its status as the majority philosophy of the nation, cannot expect to swell its ranks by recruiting to a lost cause. The party must first know what the cause is and only then can it recruit. To again borrow the military analogy, a party like an army disintegrates without a mission. Armies are assigned missions but a political party finds its mission only through soul-searching.

As this process occurs we will be told by the left that only a big tent party can win and that to become a big tent one must move to co-opt the center. That is not how it works. That is the reverse of the way it works. The center is not peopled by voters with fixed notions about the exercise of power who wait for one of the great political parties to surrender their values and embrace the tempered and resolute opinions of the middle. That happens with splinter parties but not with the mushy middle. When an unaffiliated voter bestirs himself to enter the polling booth he is confronted with one of two options: right or left. He does not consider who has moved the farthest geographically from right to the left or left to right any more than he commits because of his own long held political beliefs. He votes for the fella who best tickles his fancy at the moment. Put more charitably, he votes for the candidate who persuades that he is the best, and has the best to offer.

If we as conservatives do not believe that we have the best to offer we should get out of the business. A candidate, like a party, who is centered on his philosophy and who has integrity will simply be persuasive.

Because of his race, Obama was asked only to demonstrate that he could walk and talk like a president. Obama has won the middle, not because he pandered to them, which he did, but because he had the wind at his back.

As John McCain reverts from titular head of the Republican Party to United States Senator, it falls to the rest of us to contrive a governing philosophy which he, unfortunately, did not own and therefore could not bequeath to us. We had such a legacy from Ronald Reagan but we squandered it. We must construct our own. We must do it in the wilderness. We must do it unaided by intermeddling liberals. Their's is the serpent's way, the easy way, a pander to the superficially popular, the accommodation to the middle. The bed of birth has always been a bed of pain. The pain must be embraced if we are to receive a new life.


15 posted on 10/16/2009 1:52:58 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

History has already taught us the Republican party is NOT going to honor its conservative base while winning elections.

No amount of pedantry is going to change that fact.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 2:16:33 AM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: nathanbedford

We’re either gonna get to Communism a little bit slower by continuing to support Republicans, or a lot faster if we simply refuse to let this thing drag on and withdraw our support of Republicans who don’t stand up for our conservative principals.

American citizens outside of our sphere of people “in the know” here on FR are NOT GONNA GET IT unless it comes to them swiftly in the night.

Do you understand? We need a critical mass of people to GET IT and RIGHT NOW!

THERE IS A REVOLUTION COMING!!! It’s either gonna be Obama’s or it’s gonna be ours. But the GOP isn’t gonna go there. So we must go there on our own and en masse and NOW!


19 posted on 10/16/2009 2:26:35 AM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: nathanbedford
If we just go along it will be seen as a sign that we approve of their doings! The ONLY leverage we have is our single vote and a little bit of money.

I didn't squander anything, I've been kicking and screaming every inch of the way. I raised so much Hell about Bush 41 that Jeb called me at work. I raised Hell about Bush 43, here on Free Republic, before it was kosher to do so.

It isn't a matter of disloyalty to the party, it is a matter of loyalty to principles, republican principles.

I've been told, "just get the right people elected, they'll do the right thing then"! THEY DON'T!

There doesn't seem to be a limit to how far left they will go to be popular, stay in power, and rake in the big bucks! If they can replace my vote with a gay vote or an illegal alien vote they will throw me under the bus in a heart beat! THEY ARE NOT LOYAL TO ME, OR REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLES!

25 posted on 10/16/2009 2:48:25 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: nathanbedford
Glenn Beck often brings things that are very thought provoking to the table on his FNC show. As I watched his show last evening about the Mao admirer who is assigned to attack media opposition for Osama, I kept thinking, "how many people will wrongly regard this as the ranting of a nut case?".

You and Rush are right. The Republican Party is the only viable vehicle to take out the democrats. Your analysis of the fate of third parties is, as far as I can tell, accurate and spot on. What is so damned frustrating is that the Republican Party pushes the tea baggers and other Patriots away. A way needs to be found to get their attention.

I think that:

1.) it is important to vote in primaries and encourage like minded people to show up for those elections to try to assure that the best Republican wins in those arenas.

2.) Never ever donate money directly to Republican Party organizations, they share it with RINOs, but primarily pay for their staffs, offices, and solicitors. Mrs. RushLake and I give directly to specific candidates. We're not rich, but we try to target deserving conservatives like Marco Rubio, Tim Walberg, Mike Rogers.

If a way could be found to encourage everyone who cares about the future to donate in such a manner that could mean a lot more money going where it should.

3.) Monitor the people we donate to as suggested above. If they screw up, they're done next trip out. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, I read that somewhere.

When I receive a phone call or mail from some organization looking for money that represents itself as on our side, I have started asking, "Tell me about your successes and victories that you've paid for with donations." I don't let them get away with a litany of their intentions, just the facts ma'am.

28 posted on 10/16/2009 3:09:43 AM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism--Terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: nathanbedford
Good, well thought out post, nathanbedford. Found myself nodding yes through the entirety.

The question is how does the conservative movement seize the Republican Party and exploit that vehicle to bring conservative governance to the country and save the republic from Obama?

I'm no strategist, but I think at least part of the answer is to question the form of representation the states and individuals are getting. It seems to me that most people don't recognize the harm that the 17th Amendment and the capping of the number of representatives have done to the dispersal of federal power. IMO, these two things are exactly what has led to the centralization of power in DC.

Too me it all leads back to the original causes. The states and the people should both be bellowing,

"NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!"

53 posted on 10/16/2009 4:39:21 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: nathanbedford
I don't know how old most of you all are, and I may not be as old as the hills, but it seems to be the same thing over and over, with the only real exception being the Contract for America in the mid-90s, and that is that THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FALLS FAR SHORT OF THEIR SMALL GOVERNMENT, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY LIP SERVICE EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY ARE GIVEN A CHANCE TO PUT OUT!

...and every single time we are told to accept the lesser of two evils. It never changes!
Except that the worse of two evils gets more evil (democrats become more socialist), and the lesser of two evils gets more evil (republicans become more "moderate") and we are told that we cannot exercise our right to THE THING WE ARE PROMISED by the deceivers in the republican party.

If you really want the real deal small-government representatives, then you MUST have the courage to depose the fakes!!!

It's time to grow a backbone people. It's time to do the hard thing. You cannot fear the enemy getting into power. The enemy IS IN POWER.
Throw the bums out.
77 posted on 10/16/2009 8:37:13 AM PDT by z3n
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