Posted on 06/14/2009 9:58:45 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
I have recently been bringing this debate over Obama's U.S. citizenship over at Talking Points Memo. Needles to say, I have received some heat for my efforts. But I have received an interesting response. One that I have been unable to get around. I hope I can find some answers here.
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Are you sure? His name translates to “Black plow man” The MSM may give him cover......
1. Obama admits he was a British citizen at birth on his website.
I went to his website cited and I found no mention at all that Barack Obama was a British citizen. I am just wondering how you arrived at this conclusion?
A. Hawaii became the 50th state of the union on August 12, 1959, see Hawaii-Wikipedia.
B. If Obama was born in Kenya, your statement would be correct. But so far, we haven't had any definitive proof Obama was born in Kenya. I wish we did.
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davidfarrar
Great post.
I have heard about the wrong year seal issue before, as well, but I have not actually seen the seal in such detail on the Factcheck photo that would allow that type of close inspection. Do you have any further info on this issue? If we can pin this down, I think the case can be made that it was a forgery.
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davidfarrar
Our freeper, Ron Polarik, has examined the imagery and increased the size and analysized the factcheck forgery. I’ll see if I can find the weblink to his extensive and definitive handling of the forgery. BBL
Ron, I seem to have lost the addy for your excellent expose of the Obama forgery. Would you post the link for David? ... And me, so I can enter it in my desktop file again.
You can click on this link, The Greater Evil
If you have trouble itht he link, the direct addy is http://polarik.blogtownhall.com.
BTW, since it's been a year to the day that Factcheck posted their copy of the Obama COLB that laid the foundation for the greatest scam and cover-up in political history. Makes Watergate seem like taking home a pencil from where an employee works. @008 has been dubbed "The Year of the COLB," and in honor of it, I'm working on a major revision called, "Obama's Born Conspiracy: Anniversary Eduition.
Here ya go, David. The material on the seal is the coup degras. Obama has perpetrated a fraud using a fake CoLB and even had his press secretary, Gibbs, lie and claim this forgery was sent to Barry by the state of Hawaii!
TO date, there is no proof that Obama was born anywhere on US soil. Consequently, the law in effect at the time of Obama's birth, state's that if the mother is under 18 at the time of Barack's birth -- which Stanley Ann Dunham was -- and the father was not a US citizen -- which Obama Sr. was not -- then US citizenship WOULD NOT automatically pass from the mother to the child -- which it didn't.
In this instance, Obama had to go through immigration to be naturalized, and there is no evidence that he did.
But, the bottom line is that Obama STILL would NOT be a natural-born US citizen.only a child born on US soil, for whom both parents are US citizens, can become President.
On the other hand, Obama illicitly gained the office of President through deceit, document fraud, voter fraud, and obstruction of justice, and on top of that, his latest criminal act of firing an independent Inspector General, should earn him immediate impeachment
Last October, I spoke directly with Hawaii's State Registrar and head of Vital Records, Dr. Alvin Onaka, about an image showing what is called a, "Certification of Live Birth," or COLB and he confirmed what my research proved: that Obama's COLB, dated June 6,2007, was never released to anyone by the State of Hawaii. It is a forgery made to look like a nonexistent document.
What Press Secretary Gibbs affirmed to the world is that Obama and his associates committed felony document fraud by creating and proffering a false identification document in violation of Chapter 18 of the United States Code, Section 1028, Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information:
The term "false identification document" means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that - is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit.By creating this forgery and passing it off as real, Obama violated both Federal and Hawaiian forgery laws. Additionally, since this Internet image was seen nationwide and was used in conjunction with soliciting campaign contributions, this is also a blatant instance of Internet fraud, and Obama is guilty of Internet fraud in all 50 states as well as nbeing in violation of FEC laws.
The intent of this forgery is clear: to deceive the United States Government, state election officials, American voters, and the national media into believing that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen. Additionally, this forgery was used to derail legal attempts to secure his original birth certificate -- as Judge Robertson did in the Hollister v. Soetoro case.
Factcheck, an alleged nonpartisan, nonpolitical "fact checking website" is nothing of the sort. They were fully complicit in this birth certificate fraud: their mission was to "validate" the COLB image posted online, and to stave off any and all criticisms of it. Factcheck's staff has no understanding of computer graphics nor do they have anyone else in their organization qualified to certify image as genuine.
Since June 16, 2008, Factcheck has run a disinformation campaign on Obama's "birth certificate” including photographing what was alleged as the "actual paper document.”
Factcheck's ties to Obama run far and wide. They are owned and operated by the Annenberg Foundation, but specifically funded by billionaire George Soros.
This is the same Annenberg Foundation that gave $30 million education grant for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, to William Ayers, the unrepentant domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and police stations as a member of the "Weatherman Underground."
It was William Ayers who specifically hired a Chicago community organizer, with no executive or managerial experience, whatsoever, to be the Challenge's Chairman of the Board. That person was Barack Hussien Obama, longtime friend of Bill Ayers, who used this appointment to jumpstart his chances to become a credible Presidential candidate.
All last year, when Obama was asked about his associations with Ayers, he flatly denied that he had any, saying that "Ayers was a guy down the street who bombed buildings when I was eight years old."
Therefore, the same charges that need to be brought against Obama and his Campaign staff also need to be leveled at Factcheck for conspiracy to document fraud and Internet fraud, and for proffering a fabricated government document as a genuine, government-issued birth certificate.
Factcheck is Obama's right hand just as the forger is his left hand, and with birth certificate controversy, one hand washed the other for an entire year! When asked for proof of birth, Obama's aides pointed to Factcheck. When Factcheck was asked any questions about Obama's birth certificate, they pointed to Obama's aides.
If I were a lawyer, the Defendants I'd name would begin with Obama's Campaign staffers, specifically Tommy Vietor and Shaun Daly (who are now working in the Obama Administration), Factcheck, Politifact (Factcheck's sister site), and the Department of Health, Government of Hawaii.
I've told that repeatedly to every single person who has filed an eligibility lawsuit whose sole aim is to have Obama release his long-form "vault" birth certificate, and told them, flat-out, that's the wrong strategy!
If you want to catch the big fish, you've got to start with the little fish first. You do not start with the Big Killer Whale. You have got to disrupt the food chain. Just as the FBI did with the mafia, and then Al-Qaeda.
Once you've disrupted the big fish's food supply, you take away what keeps the the big fish going.
"“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
Bump Dat...
You and many others have made a great effort to demonstrate this may be the largest scam in recorded history
Whether it is the largest scam, depends on whether O was born in Hawaii.
I say this only because any review by the USSC will likely be greatly influenced by the fact the Republican attorneys serving in the Congress, were not in the least troubled on January 8 by the well-publicized fact O’s father was not a U.S. citizen.
Even if O was born in Hawaii, his refusal to perform the Constitutionally-mandated duty of qualifying for the office is nonetheless a needless and expensive scam.
The case is simple, really.
In the first instance, O childishly does not want to tell us whether he was born in Hawaii but he must be made to perform his Constitutional duty.
What does it take to move forward?
Republican politicians with some guts and a sense of duty, who will understand the oath they swear to defend the Constitution. And, we must conclude, they are not now in office. (Do not tell me it is hurtful to offend our political leaders, where have they been on this issue?)
Do we go out tomorrow and find replacement candidates?
Do we cleanse the party by requiring candidates in 2010 to specifically commit to taking effective legal action on this specific issue (a la Newt’s contract)?
Do we have time for that?
Do we make the issue the center of an increasing number of “tea parties”?
Or do we kick back and see how “others” work it out, if at all?
You further try o dissemble the issue with, "I say this only because any review by the USSC will likely be greatly influenced by the fact the Republican attorneys serving in the Congress ..." WRONG again, but carefully craft!
The SCOTUS has one very clear task which the Roberts court has consciouslt chosen to side-step: to tender a ruling as to whether the term natural born citizen as used in the Constitution means two parents, born on US soil or not on US soil.
And finally, I find it is quite suspicious that you try the following obliqueness:
"... Republican politicians with some guts and a sense of duty, who will understand the oath they swear to defend the Constitution. And, we must conclude, they are not now in office. (Do not tell me it is hurtful to offend our political leaders, where have they been on this issue?)"
The party of sitting Republican politicians is irrelevent. The issue is between the federal judiciary and we the people via our now very much in doubt Constitutional contract. Your characterization of the issues as clear and present danger when the bastard's vote tally was received I shall address in a moment.
The current resident of the Oval office has used a form of extortion to exquisite effect, in tendering his criminal ascendency to the presidency. The implied threat is racial rioting and mayhem if he is not allowed to continue with his criminal scam. Well I, for one, am more than willing to allow racially motivated criminals to burn down cities, if it means the single thing making this Republic legal is restored to the proper importance.
If we the people can be ignored so easily in order to allow a criminal racist thug to take the oval office while the 'subpreme' court effectively runs interference for him, then the Constitutional Republic is no more because the contract that was the Constitution has been abrogated to allow an affirmative action thug to commit criminal fraud in order to extort the highest office of power.
Your little scam of implying all sitting Republicans must be made to answer for the criminality of this lying bastard democrat is a telling subtle ploy to have folks just shut up and go along for now so the apple cart will not be overturned. Shove that!
If democrats want to continue to aid and abet this criminal bastard protected from answering for his criminal fraud, they are the ones whom should be tossed from office en masse ... and impeached then removed, if they were not the criminal enterprise now holding all the cards of power!
The extreme criminal nature of this fraudulent president was not so well documented and exposed as you would like to portray before the election results were counted.
The complicit Roberts court gave this bastard cover that was at least confusing to the average citizen and elected Republican. But you can bet there are democrats sitting in powerful offices who knew damned well that this liar was not eligible but they chose to play the race hustle threats and get him into power at any cost.
Now, want to try again with your not so subtle ploys?
Recommend you get a grip, fella’.
Reading your posts over the last several months, while not agreeing with all your points, I concluded you and I were on the same side of the argument.
You and I have discussed this issue previously in more rational, non-personal terms.
But, if you doubt my intentions, review my posts to you and take a look at my About Page
You seem to hold in your first paragraph that O’s greatest sin is passing a forgery. It appears you then try to shield the Republicans from any wrongdoing.
That overlooks more than many of us are willing disregard.
I am not going to comment on several of your other points, instead I am going out to dinner. May I suggest the same for you?
Thank you, MHG.
I couldn’t open that site; could you? I mean I got to the web site, but the “Why Obama isn’t”...link simply didn’t open for me.
I am also trying to find some more information on all this HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]338-13(b) 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18 actualy meaning.
Apparently, Obama’s COLB was Revised on November, 2001. Does anybody know what sort of “revisions” they are talking about?
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davidfarrar
Ping to question at #75.
Okay, AII,
Now I understand your point. Yes, it’s true, at birth Obama had dual citizenship, as a U.S. citizen and as a British subject. His dual citizenship lasted until Kenya gained its independence in, I think, 1963.
So Barack Obama, while a U.S. citizen, is not, and cannot be, a natural born U.S. citizen.
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davidfarrar
“What Constitutional duty?”
You will find that many in this forum have been working for more than a year to understand the issues, discover the facts and speak knowledgeably about the matter. Some of us did not come along until a month or so prior to the primaries.
Fortunately for all of us, some of the material has been on the record for decades; for instance, 3 USC 15.
The duty I refer to is found in the 20th A.:
“...if the President elect fails to qualify...”
I am really interested in your comment:
"Last October, I spoke directly with Hawaii's State Registrar and head of Vital Records, Dr. Alvin Onaka, about an image showing what is called a, "Certification of Live Birth," or COLB and he confirmed what my research proved: that Obama's COLB, dated June 6,2007, was never released to anyone by the State of Hawaii. It is a forgery made to look like a nonexistent document.".
More specifically,
"...that Obama's COLB, dated June 6,2007, was never released to anyone by the State of Hawaii. It is a forgery made to look like a nonexistent document."
Are you saying, according to Dr. Alvin Onaka, Hawaiian Health officials never released any copy, even a digital copy, to either Barack Obama, or his representatives, or to any of the FactCheck staffers - to nobody in 2007/2008?
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davidfarrar
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