TALE OF TWO LAWERS (Feldmand vs. Dusek) DEFEATED and DECIETFUL.(VD's SKATE FREE TO SWING AGAIN)

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[FresnoDA]

TALE OF TWO LAWYERS......

DEFEATED and DECIETFUL

[CyberAnt]

Typical liberal - reduced to name calling!!

[Freedom2specul8]

There are also a whole crew of freepers who watched the trial live, read the transcripts and debated with those who believe the jury arrived at the correct decision. Pretty soon you will discover who is willing to debate or discuss and who would rather fight with you over your opinion.

If Dusek "lied" to the jury, and the judge allowed it and feldman ignored it, what does that tell ya?

The evidence was not fabricated as some would leave you to believe. There is NO evidence that westerfield was set up, no evidence the child porn was planted, no evidence the parents did it..none. There is plenty of evidence against dw, and now that we know he put his fingers in the mouth of his 7 yr old niece who he thought was asleep, I'd say that was bit perverted.

[bvw]

Dusek used every decietful technique possible to get a conviction and Judge Mudd allowed it. Was any one a provable fraud on the court? Perhaps not -- they are good at the liar's weave in San Diego, very good.

But You'd like Dusek, you really would, and Detectives Ott and Keester too. They are your kind of fellows. So full of regard for "Law and Order" it just pours out every indecent orifice, spews out, flys out, showers out. They are your kind of conservatives. They're happy to use the Constitution and due process for toilet paper if it keeps the conviction rate up in the 90's.

Those kind of conservatives, personally I despise and as time, energy and presense allow will run up against. But they do get the support of the lemming class such as yourself. "Lemming" ain't the right word. The ancient Egyptians well understood your kind of conservatism. They represeneted it with the scarab beetle -- the dung preserver. They built their culture around that kind of conservatism.

It is absolutely un-American, and intolerant of Liberty and Freedom, at odds with the princibles enunciated in our great founding documents -- "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS". You, however, have it as confused as the scat beetle worshipers did. Your rule would be "ORDER, SACRIFICE, AND THE HONORING OF THE DEAD". That is the rule of a longstanding culture and very potent, true -- that Egyptian culture lasted well over three thousand years, many glories, and even some clones of it today. It is well-ordered, provides a job for everyone to go to.

That "a job for everone", is something you, in particular, seem to find very important. Remember when you mocked the rest of us and self-boasted "I work for a living so watching during the day is impossible." Well, scarab-worshipper, the rest of us do have jobs too. But we have the jobs of freemen and not as dung-rollers, sacrifice-preparers and mummy-makers like yourself.

The concept of Justice is hardly known to you, the lover of sacrifice. There is your sacrifice -- Westerfield. He is altogether fitting and good. He's white, well-off, male and middle class. He remembers when times were innocent, and divorces and wife swapping rare. He invents things that help the living -- the van Dam's and their swapping developed in their circles things that made people more dead. Westerfield was waking up, the van Dams were -- well, they were Egyptians, like you. Swapping is fine, as long as it's well-ordered. Remember Denise? She was fond of noting that order. When she got upset over the difference between "swapping" and "swinging" that was on account of the regular order swappers and swingers have -- look at the organized gorups they establish. Fresno has posted up those links. Search and you may find them.

They are for you, are they not? The dead and preparing to die will welcome a fellow Egyptian with open arms. Go roll dung with them, cyperant. "Arbeit Mach Frei"

They are YOUR kind of conservatives.

[dread78645]

And ... just because you watched every moment of the trial doesn't mean your analysis is better, or that your judgment of the transcript was any better than anyone elses.

So, CyberAnt. What is your analysis of the 4 bug-experts testifing that the body was killed/dumped between Feb 9th-18th ?

And what are your thoughts on Detective Keene impeaching his own testimony ?

Any guess as to what Detective Maker was going to be asked ?

And what do you think the phone call on the 16th was about ?

[Doc Savage]

Still FR's Pompous Twit, eh?

The point is that the prosecution did not PROVE DW's guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt. He may very well be guilty, but the burden of proof was on the prosecution, and they failed miserably.

Your reprehensible behavior on these threads over the past several months, and your obnoxious arrogance in the face of reasoned opinion has marked you forever more as someone not to be trusted or listened to. As for your condescending note to FresnoDA at the beginning of this thread, you were never considered a leader of the discussion. You were, however, earmarked as a garrulous, obstructive, and demeaning interloper. Enjoy your hollow victory and potential execution. Both seem quite apropos.

Doc Savage

[Freedom2specul8]

Still reading my posts eh?

all reprehensible behavior, and personal attacks aside, why don't you tell us how you really feel, mr savage?

[Helen]

Actually, Kim, I believe the good Doc stated what many of us feel.

[Freedom2specul8]

What's sad about this entire situation is that so many good folks became afraid to post on the DW threads because of folks who behave like savage. People DON'T like being on the receiving end of slams, personal attacks and name calling. Rather than creating a constructive argument or debate, he and others gotta make it all personal and then deny it later. I have no doubts that the threads would have been much more peaceful had the van dam apologists and jackals not been allowed to post. But would it have been right?

[Ditter]

It may seem like many, Helen, but *most* who don't agree with the DW fan club, stay away from these threads.

[dread78645]

I have no doubts that the threads would have been much more peaceful had the van dam apologists and jackals not been allowed to post. But would it have been right?

That's why it's in the SBR; threads in here don't come with tea and scones.
The Stealth Ninja Dave Freedom Fighters and the VDA jackals can bite, kick, & gouge without folks wailing for AdminMommy to stop it.

[Freedom2specul8]

If creating the backroom would have been done sooner, say in february it would have been uglier.....am sure of it. just looking at some of what's been written. One has to wonder, what's the point of doing it at all? Would the threads have lasted this long if it had been such a free for all?

[dread78645]

Would the threads have lasted this long if it had been such a free for all?

Well --the Libertarian vs. the JBT threads have been going on since early 2000 (when I first started lurking)...

[CyberAnt]

Thanks for the post Kim - I'm not about to argue with people who have no facts to argue on. Besides, if you read any of their messages to me, once they called me names, the debate was over (at least for me). Name calling just shows their ignorance.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The point is that the prosecution did not PROVE DW's guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt."

Not to you maybe, but to me and the jury it was guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The majority of the pedodefenders that populate these van Dam threads wouldn't have been convinced of guilt, even if they would have been present at the time of the murder.

[bvw]

Yours is a typical argument from your "side" -- whatever does one call the side of ignorance and stupidity anyway. It hardly forms up a side -- just a group of slugs in slow brownian motion around Nancy Grace's lip gloss.

Here is your argument:

• "Pedodefender" -- the sure logic of name-calling.
  
• "wouldn't have been convinced even if they would have been present at the time of the murder." -- the spice of calling and different judgement ridiculous. "Join or we'll ridicule you mercilessly".

And that is the sum and span and beam of it! No more ...

[cynwoody]

The ancient Egyptians well understood your kind of conservatism. They represeneted it with the scarab beetle -- the dung preserver. They built their culture around that kind of conservatism.

Eeew!

Arbeit macht Scheiss!

[Guenevere]

#1655....That's a low blow, Luis Gonzalez!!

We are NOT defending pedophiles.....

What a horrible thing to say...
....Truly horrible!

I am pro-death penalty....but I happen to believe this guy is not who did the crime.
...Why does our opinion bother you all so much!!!?

[alexandria]

UUMMM...Cyberant since my reply to your question was, as you say, "a museum of ignorance" Just what, praytell, is YOUR opinion as to why FresnoDA called Dusak decitful?
I belive I voiced what I thought was his mindset but you, you seem to have information that shows otherwise. Care to share?

[CyberAnt]

"Care to Share"

NO!!