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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: Repeal The 17th
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581 posted on 12/29/2010 11:54:19 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: onyx; mojitojoe; central_va; cowboyway; Idabilly; southernsunshine; manc; wardaddy; ...
Drennan Whyte/Non-Sequitur = BUSTED - you’re a dishonest troll, too.

But guys, we need to continue with this thread's damnyankee theme . . .

the gross unforgivable immorality of ONLY southern slave owners, confederate sympathizers, and most folks from the south not like them.
582 posted on 12/29/2010 12:17:30 PM PST by mstar (Immediate State Action)
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To: mstar
LOL. Well, say something !
583 posted on 12/29/2010 12:20:51 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: LucyT

Hahaha!! And now he/she/it has retreated. How sad. /sarc


584 posted on 12/29/2010 12:30:00 PM PST by azishot
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To: LucyT
Color me surprised .........NOT. :)
A good Civil War thread is enough to raise Non Sequitur from the land of the zot. Reincarnated as a whyte boy no less.
585 posted on 12/29/2010 12:48:43 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: sergeantdave

got to remember that NS has no life what so ever.
He lived on here looking for these kind of threads so he could post on them and then report back to his kook left wing but friends.

NS I can bet has many usernames so it comes as no surprise that their words are very similar (from what I remember as I stopped reading his posts after a while)


586 posted on 12/29/2010 12:49:00 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: mojitojoe

I knew he could not stay away.
The poor soul just has no life, what a sad pathetic person he is.

He has to have different names, pretend to be someone else, make up who he is etc.
WOW,


587 posted on 12/29/2010 12:53:58 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: mojitojoe; onyx; All

LOL ... I love the smell of BUSTED ..FReepers are the best!


588 posted on 12/29/2010 12:56:56 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: trumandogz

Have you every considered regression therapy to
treat your obsession?


589 posted on 12/29/2010 12:59:02 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: trumandogz
Why is it you posted an article entitled “Why the War was not about Slavery” when my argument was that the reason for secession was slavery?

Did you read the essay? Obviously not and I can tell you why: your liberal indoctrination is so complete that you're terrified to entertain information opposing your deeply held prejudices.

BTW, secession is discussed in the essay. If you had read it you would know that. Those 2 degrees from that liberal college have really screwed you up. BA's, no doubt......

590 posted on 12/29/2010 1:22:37 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rockrr
Pity, I was rather enjoying it.

So was I. I found out on this thread that you are up to 3 Southern states that you claim to have been born and raised in

Pretty soon you'll have been born and raised in 57 Southern states; only one more to go! LOL!!

591 posted on 12/29/2010 1:28:59 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Reincarnated as a whyte boy no less.

His screen name is very revealing, isn't it. Shows us one of his innermost desires.

592 posted on 12/29/2010 1:52:17 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Drennan Whyte

Fort Sumpter was a federal presence in the newly independent Confederate States—which had LAWFULLY seceded from the USA. There is nothing in the US Constitution that forbids secession—or the states would of never signed onto it back in 1789. (New England states were some of the first to talk secession earlier, over other issues—and no one indicated that was illegal).

The US command at Fort Sumpter was asked to leave, by lawful authority...and they refused. Therefore, as far as the Confederacy was concerned Fort Sumpter’s officer’s insistence on staying in SC was the cause of war, NOT the Confederacy’s use of force to extract them.

Personally, I think it was a STUPID move on the part of Confederates Beauregard et als., BUT, if secession was legal (and I believe it was and is...) it was NOT unlawful.

I think economically, the South would of suffered if secession was allowed to stand. Slavery was dying out, the international slave trade was effectively over—and already the more efficient industrialized North was beating the South in economic growth—and that trend would of continued. I don’t think the South ever would of grovelled for re-institution into the Union, however, once slavery was gone—there’d be no logical reason not to re-unify.

Still the fact remains, the North did not go to war to end slavery, even though the South seceded to protect it. The North’s political goal was union. And forced union we have...at a cost of so many lives.

Our Constitution depended on voluntary union, and a weak federal government. Since the Civil War we have had neither.


593 posted on 12/29/2010 2:28:51 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: STARWISE

I love the smell of burning pro- choice, pro-homo progressive trolls. Such a wonderful smell.


594 posted on 12/29/2010 2:30:21 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: trumandogz

First:

1. I am speaking of society in general. 100 years ago, if you slept with a woman who was not your wife, it was considered intolerable, and both parties would have been ostracized. Yes, what is considered moral changes with society.

2. Yes, what we consider moral now may not be considered so in the future, or vice-versa.

Third, you must really think I am stupid if you think I am going to be drawn into the trap you are trying to set.

Good Try, but no cigar!


595 posted on 12/29/2010 2:32:23 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: mstar; trumandogz

Now it’s crystal clear why his pal Trumandogz started a CW thread. It was to test out the new name. That didn’t work out too well. LMAO! In fact, it busted his other 2001 sign up name.


596 posted on 12/29/2010 2:33:30 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: AnalogReigns

Good post.


597 posted on 12/29/2010 2:34:30 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: mstar

I was thinking the same thing.


598 posted on 12/29/2010 2:35:32 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I noticed that too. FR must have had a glitch and dated his first post on FR incorrectly. It should have said 2001. The thread was in 2001.


599 posted on 12/29/2010 2:37:12 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
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600 posted on 12/29/2010 2:39:08 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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