Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
You are putting way too much energy into a collateral issue. Here’s another problem. The birthers, as a mass, have put out so much anger and bad info, that they have ZERO credibility out there. Who is going to care what a birther thinks when the perception of birthers is, “these guys are clueless”
You seem like a nice person. Look back over this huge thread from the beginning and see how birthers have responded to legitimate questions from the non-birthers. I have been asking a couple of baby-birthers to list out their allegations or proof in a logical manner. I have given them examples. They go all around the block making excuses.
OK. They’re obviously kids. Can’t blame them for playing. But where are the grown up birthers. You would think a few of the grown ups would step up. Nada.
Fred nerks, el gato, yourself, danae, -—you guys have been pretty decent. We don’t agree but it stays civil. Other people—take the Wong Kim Ark case. Birthers dismiss it. Its a Supreme Court case, and probably the most relevant law on this matter. Most birthers just dismiss it. Ah, them guys didn’t know what they were doing.
If this thing ever gets to a court, do you think that court is going to just hop and skip over Wong? They ain’t. I gave an example. An easy case out of Indiana. Written in pretty plain english. What was the reaction? Oh, thats just crap.
So step back and take a look at the issue. And this is for all birthers. You want to overturn an election. But you can’t answer questions in a logical manner. You want the courts or somebody to do something. But yet, you guys don’t do something as easy as bone up on a couple of cases that you kind of need to know.
Somebody don’t agree with you-you call them names. You see some evidence you don’t like, you just breeze right past it. Other freepers try to tell you relevant things—you guys dismiss it, call them names, ignore the reality. Somebody takes the time to point out problems with your position-—you cut and paste pictures and act rude. And this ain’t even talking about all the hysterics, the martyrdom, the constitutional posing, and hand wringing.
And then, to make it worse, every so often here comes some new birther, who starts posting all the old birther stuff thats been half beat to death, and the same old myths come right back out again. Its so bad most non-birthers just entirely avoid the birther threads because of all the meanness and nonsense. And plus, they get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall.
So maybe if you, butterz, want to do something, maybe job one is to whip the birther troops into shape. Get your facts straight. Confirm your own allegations before non-birthers do it for you. If you can, you might be able to turn this into a movement, instead of a mob.
parsy
“They have no law enforcement.”
Dang-it! Where’s Steve McGarret when you need him!
:^)
Cheers
You are putting way too much energy into a collateral issue. Here’s another problem. The birthers, as a mass, have put out so much anger and bad info, that they have ZERO credibility out there. Who is going to care what a birther thinks when the perception of birthers is, “these guys are clueless”
You seem like a nice person. Look back over this huge thread from the beginning and see how birthers have responded to legitimate questions from the non-birthers. I have been asking a couple of baby-birthers to list out their allegations or proof in a logical manner. I have given them examples. They go all around the block making excuses.
OK. They’re obviously kids. Can’t blame them for playing. But where are the grown up birthers. You would think a few of the grown ups would step up. Nada.
Fred nerks, el gato, yourself, danae, -—you guys have been pretty decent. We don’t agree but it stays civil. Other people—take the Wong Kim Ark case. Birthers dismiss it. Its a Supreme Court case, and probably the most relevant law on this matter. Most birthers just dismiss it. Ah, them guys didn’t know what they were doing.
If this thing ever gets to a court, do you think that court is going to just hop and skip over Wong? They ain’t. I gave an example. An easy case out of Indiana. Written in pretty plain english. What was the reaction? Oh, thats just crap.
So step back and take a look at the issue. And this is for all birthers. You want to overturn an election. But you can’t answer questions in a logical manner. You want the courts or somebody to do something. But yet, you guys don’t do something as easy as bone up on a couple of cases that you kind of need to know.
Somebody don’t agree with you-you call them names. You see some evidence you don’t like, you just breeze right past it. Other freepers try to tell you relevant things—you guys dismiss it, call them names, ignore the reality. Somebody takes the time to point out problems with your position-—you cut and paste pictures and act rude. And this ain’t even talking about all the hysterics, the martyrdom, the constitutional posing, and hand wringing.
And then, to make it worse, every so often here comes some new birther, who starts posting all the old birther stuff thats been half beat to death, and the same old myths come right back out again. Its so bad most non-birthers just entirely avoid the birther threads because of all the meanness and nonsense. And plus, they get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall.
So maybe if you, butterz, want to do something, maybe job one is to whip the birther troops into shape. Get your facts straight. Confirm your own allegations before non-birthers do it for you. If you can, you might be able to turn this into a movement, instead of a mob.
parsy
Obama’s greatest liability is his CREDIBILITY.
I have pushed this in the face of the After-Birthers
at least 20 times in the last 24 hours, and there
is NO defense against it.
Anything Obama says or does — OR IS CONNECTED TO —
can naturally be considered a LIE.
If HE or his people submitted his COLB, and the Courts have
NEVER seen a REAL copy of it, it is NOT a "FACT" — either by
layman or by legal standards.
Thats a cool trick. Lets use an 1857 case to attack an 1898 case. I guess that is the Birther Quantum Law Theory.
If you think Wong is so wrong-—then why did this judge cite it. And why did the Plaintiffs stay away from Wong? Read pages 13-18:
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf
And are you really curious why non-birthers use an 1898 case instead of an 1857 case? Maybe....the 1898 case is 40 years later, better written, includes the provisions of 14th amendment which wasn’t passed in 1857-—Gee, that looks pretty sinister to me.....
parsy, who says-—Those darn clever non-birthers!
You’re right.
There is no credible defense for a liar
who has and does consistently lie.
| You're and f'ing a'hole ... I know you have no wife and now I know why she whacked you with a damn iron frying pan. Man, you are off your rocker..... total meltdown
|
Parsley is a HE. I recall him telling us that he was afraid of women because an ex wife beat the sh*t out of him with a frying pan. I wonder why...
“I have pushed this in the face of the After-Birthers
at least 20 times in the last 24 hours, and there
is NO defense against it.”
Oh yes! It is he silver bullet that will end our evil existence. Run Non-Birthers! For your lives! They have us now! I’m melting......my world...my world...
There, Feel better? OK, try to grasp this.
1. No birther lawsuit has got far enough to require a defense.
2. If it did, I feel pretty sure the Defense counsel would simply get a certified copy of the COLB, submit it into evidence, and the judge would throw the Birther suit out.
parsy, who didn’t notice Obama in the courtroom while this was going on....
I have to commend you...you’re doing a fabulous job hunting all this down and explainig it ...you Danae, BP2 are doing amazing work for our country!!! Patriots all!
BTW ...has anyone requested documentation for Baryy Sotero
or Barry Dunham or any other rendom Obama names?? or they off limits too?? thats probably a dumb idea...
It was because my logic was superior. Like here.
parsy, who lived
Please send Parsi some flowers.
He lives in the first house on the Left.
You put way too much energy into demonizing people with pointless labels, such as 'birther' and ignoring direct challenges to your canards and assumptions, such as the Wong Kim Ark decision. I pointed out earlier that this decision says very specifically that the child was considered a citizen at birth because the parents were permanent U.S. immigrants. The permanent domicile was how Judge Gray applied the jurisdiction clause of the 14th amendment. Obama's father was not an immigrant and certainly not a permanent immigrant. Since the founders considered citizenship by descent was via the fathers only, there's considerable Gray area (pun intended) as to whether Obama was a U.S. citizen much less a natural born citizen.
1. No birther lawsuit has got far enough to require a defense
Who is Race Bannock? Where is the support.
parsy
Ignore the pic, it was meant for someone else. I clicked on the wrong post. Sorry. :)
The legal term is "grandstanding." I haven't seen evidence the Plaintiffs stayed away from Wong ... besides two Wongs don't make Obama right. And, Wong only applies if there's verifiable proof Obama was truly born in Hawaii. So far, not so much.
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