You are putting way too much energy into a collateral issue. Here’s another problem. The birthers, as a mass, have put out so much anger and bad info, that they have ZERO credibility out there. Who is going to care what a birther thinks when the perception of birthers is, “these guys are clueless”
You seem like a nice person. Look back over this huge thread from the beginning and see how birthers have responded to legitimate questions from the non-birthers. I have been asking a couple of baby-birthers to list out their allegations or proof in a logical manner. I have given them examples. They go all around the block making excuses.
OK. They’re obviously kids. Can’t blame them for playing. But where are the grown up birthers. You would think a few of the grown ups would step up. Nada.
Fred nerks, el gato, yourself, danae, -—you guys have been pretty decent. We don’t agree but it stays civil. Other people—take the Wong Kim Ark case. Birthers dismiss it. Its a Supreme Court case, and probably the most relevant law on this matter. Most birthers just dismiss it. Ah, them guys didn’t know what they were doing.
If this thing ever gets to a court, do you think that court is going to just hop and skip over Wong? They ain’t. I gave an example. An easy case out of Indiana. Written in pretty plain english. What was the reaction? Oh, thats just crap.
So step back and take a look at the issue. And this is for all birthers. You want to overturn an election. But you can’t answer questions in a logical manner. You want the courts or somebody to do something. But yet, you guys don’t do something as easy as bone up on a couple of cases that you kind of need to know.
Somebody don’t agree with you-you call them names. You see some evidence you don’t like, you just breeze right past it. Other freepers try to tell you relevant things—you guys dismiss it, call them names, ignore the reality. Somebody takes the time to point out problems with your position-—you cut and paste pictures and act rude. And this ain’t even talking about all the hysterics, the martyrdom, the constitutional posing, and hand wringing.
And then, to make it worse, every so often here comes some new birther, who starts posting all the old birther stuff thats been half beat to death, and the same old myths come right back out again. Its so bad most non-birthers just entirely avoid the birther threads because of all the meanness and nonsense. And plus, they get tired of beating their heads against a brick wall.
So maybe if you, butterz, want to do something, maybe job one is to whip the birther troops into shape. Get your facts straight. Confirm your own allegations before non-birthers do it for you. If you can, you might be able to turn this into a movement, instead of a mob.
parsy
That big long post is pretty funny, palsy. There is one thing you don’t know.... do you really think that all of the evidence that has been gathered and is really relevant and important, is posted on this forum for people like you and the O team to see. Get a clue sunshine. It ain’t, you can take that to the bank.
That’s all I am going to say on that matter. You can choose to believe it or not. I couldn’t care less. You notice I don’t get into debates with you on here. I’m don’t intend to give them ANY information except BS things and what you don’t realize is that most of the others are doing the same thing.
A mom sees her child with chocolate on his face. He swears he didn’t eat the candy bar. But his fists are closed tight and nothing short of an act of God will get him to show what’s in his hand.
Because the mom can’t nail him down with proof means he’s innocent, right?
Your claims that there is no evidence looks to the rest of us (if I dare speak for others) as if you are doing your level best to make sure that the people asking the logical questions get interrogated rather than the person who is hiding behind technicalities.
Now I’ve shown that the hiding that’s been done is not even TECHNICALLY correct - a fact we’ve only been able to find out because “vexatious requestors” were able to pester Fukino into posting the rules that should have been posted all along.
This is like the child’s buddy hovering around the kid to keep everybody from looking closer, and blinding the mom so she can’t see that the kid has chocolate on his face.
Of course concerned citizens are frustrated. I don’t see any of them going and shooting people though, so they’re better than the Obot professor. And I don’t see them threatening to steal somebody’s FCC license and/or inflict harm to anyone’s life or family if they report anything. So that makes them better than Obama’s lawyers.
As for credibility, some of this stuff is just plain complicated at best, and we’ve got the legitimate sources hiding behind the shield of laws supposedly prohibiting disclosure but using illegal disclosures as a sword to try to cut down people who want legally-binding, accountable answers. Plus Obama’s got paid disinformation artists a la Axelrod. And because the state-run media AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA have all been threatened into silence, we only have stuff like blogs to try to get the accurate information out.
It’s definitely a David v Goliath scenario. If Goliath wants to moan about what color the rock in David’s sling is, fine. But I think most normal people can see what’s going on here. When they get exposure to the facts. That’s why this issue is growing in visibility rather than fading away.
Gamaliel once counseled the Jews regarding those pesky Christians. He reminded them of all the people who claimed to be something but once they were dead the movement fizzled out. He said, “Therefore in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
The truth has a way of eventually being heard. All the powers-that-be are against any scrutiny of Obama’s origins but in spite of all the ridicule, scrubbing the internet, threatening the media, judges saying the case was already decided on Twitter, etc... the issue still grows. It does so because Obama and his minions have fought so hard rather than just coming up with the documentation like any of us little peons have to do every day.
The emperor is naked. I’m a little kid who doesn’t care if people say that my statement shows that I’m stupid. I can see what’s in front of my eyes and so can everybody else. The con artists who sold the magic clothes to the Emperor have told everyone that they’re stupid if they can’t see the clothes, and everybody who wants to be “credible” is afraid to say what we all see because then the con artists will call them stupid.
But I’m a little kid. I don’t care one whit for what the “credible” con artists have sold the world. The emperor is naked. I’ve posted the evidence of the con artists’ work AND the evidence that the “clothes” that Hawaii says they have for Obama don’t give him legal cover for anything, since it’s not prima facie evidence. Obama’s little tush is sticking out for the whole world to see, if only the world stops caring whether they will be called “stupid” for saying so.