Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Right. I would say that is in complete contradiction with the intent of the framers and what they wanted to prevent with the Commander in Chief.
At this point, we shouldn’t pay attention if something new comes up that presents the Kenyan BC as a hoax.
from another thread by an experienced attorney:
“The judge just did Orly a big favor by ruling, in effect, that her motion was never filed. That will keep her from being sanctioned for a frivolous motion. Now if she is dumb enough to try to re-file it, she may not be so lucky.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309830/posts?q=1&;page=401
Well, I guess Keith Olberloon lies not only most of the time, but ALL of the time!
"Folks, You're turn to bat...
Call, E-Mail, Fax and write letters to your Congressmen/women and Senators demanding action on the documents (Treason charge) we delivered Tues. and Wed. Remind them they have ten days to act or they become complicit!Thursday 08/06/09
U.S. Senate and House have the following documents (Filed with every member of the Senate and 426 members of the House)
American Grand Jury Presentment
Military Criminal Complaints Re: Fraud and Treason
We The People Petitions of Redresss
World Net Daily Petition (where's the birth cert.)
Along with a letter reminding all Senators about their vote on April 10, 2008 regarding John McCains "Natural Born Citizen" resolution where they admitted to having BOTH Parents be citizens in order to qualify for POTUSMet with Katherine Bell, Legislative Correspondent to Saxby Chambliss at 14:30 today, 080609 and was given a decent amount of time to explained the nature of this Constitutional crisis over eligibility. She had seen the package we delivered on Tues. and was aware of the implications contained within. I merely pointed out the obvious contradiction of last years Senate resolution 511 (Apirl 10th) where the Senators ALL agreed that due to McCain's parents (both) being U.S. citizens, he was qualified to be POTUS and pointed out the fact that BHO's father was never a U.S. citizen meaning he is ineligible to hold the office of President. Although she was extremely courteous and respectfull I was left with the sense that my Senator may not be willing to take a stand on the Constitutionality of this obviously ineligible POTUS. All it will take is one or two courageous Senators to stand up for and on behalf of All of us who demand resolution to this crisis one way or the other. Citizen reporter Chalice Jackson witnessed the meting and will report further on http://www.phnmedia.com/"
I can just about name the “lawyer” (He may just play one on FR.) Orley isnt “FILING” the paper. She is asking the court to validate (authenticate) and provide line of possession. That is not filing the paper, but it may open the door to order the documentation from HI for comparison.
Is 7698 the real McCoy of the possible BC that Orly has ???
No wonder i think I’m a freshman amongst College seniors
LOL
Does she have a staff who can take care of this for her?
I not sure what a staff could do at this stage. It’s been tossed.
I think the lack of a staff is what keeps her in trouble with her filings. It takes a lot to keep all this straight and apparently she can’t which to me says she doesn’t have a staff or if she does they need to be fired.
also check out the whole thread, it pretty much debunks/punks it
The folds are different and in places not in Orly’s.
"Rule 23 “Birth certificates: Providing children’s birth certificates as evidence is not required unless their legitimacy is in dispute. Similarly, photocopies of the parties’ birth certificates are sufficient."
Can you show me where the law in Hawaii says Childrens Birth Certificates have to be provided in a divorce?
Two things are 100% true:
1. More people than ever before are talking about this, including the media
and
2. We still haven't seen any of Barry's original records.
Hopefully even more people will realize this fact and question why all the secrecy?
I have a somewhat mixed response. I said some time ago and at one point in the summer of 08 pitched a group, that a legal action could be initiated to successfully address this claim. But it would be expensive.
At the time, it was before the convention and I thought you had a better shot getting someone with standing to impact the convention outcome. And some of the expensive was due to the short time remaining before the convention because I had a significant item built in to my budget for investigators.
That didn't happen.
There is a real lack of understanding of what lawyers do and how cases like this really get resolved. A single attack is likely to involve multi-jurisdictional litigation and obligations on the lead lawyers to appear in the same place on several different days. And is apparent from the dance here with the birth certificate, we need some really high powered investigators on board and they cost money just like everything else.
And in the modern world, lawyers are like everybody else--the senior lawyers are financially overextended and have to work all the time to hold their obligations together (not always incurred wisely but look in the mirror); the younger people who are doing the work are working seventy and eighty hours a week because they have school debt to pay as well as wives and children to support and raise.
The best lawyers are working on the more difficult and complicated cases which is why they get paid more and why they are in demand. But you look here at the other side and you see Kirkland & Ellis and the Williams Connelly firm and many of the best lawyers in America. This nonsense about him having spent a million bucks so far is just that--my own guess several weeks ago was in the two or three million range and I now think that is significantly understated.
And the legal community is not generally supportive of the objective here--most lawyers are Very Liberal, generally Dems. Many are invested in Obama. In my own case, my top litigation partner is a Republican--but he is working 70 hours a week on pending business litigation; and the firm is generally strongly biased in favor of Obama--maybe we have three or four senior lawyers who are not.
To get a team of lawyers together who were qualified and able to fight this battle would be pretty difficult. At the time I pitched it, I had in mind staffing which in light of hindsight wouldn't have worked.
If I were going to try to do it now, I would look to a group of very senior guys who are retiring or on the edge of retirement who might be willing to get in the act. It would still cost a lot of money because you would need staff support.
And you need a client. I assume you can get a hypothetical set of facts where you have someone who is directly affected by some Presidential Act but you would like to have at least your lead litigators on board before you made a decision.
And the best client is the military. They are the most exposed; I have difficulty imagining what the Joint Chiefs are thinking about at this point. The Judge Advocate General's office has looked at the issue--what he is telling his client is anybody's guess.
But a legal process resolution at this point doesn't look like a very easy shot.
Orly doesn't look like a very capable lawyer to have in this act. Joe is sophisticated and has been around and presumably ought to have access to advice.
I think the pending litigation is good because it is helpful in continuing to develop the real facts and get them in the public stream. Lots of people in the media know perfectly well that he was born in Kenya.
Maybe getting a group of senior lawyers together to manage the efforts of the many lawyers and lawsuits that are presently pending would help the objective.
At the point you get enough information before a strong majority of the American people, the tide will turn--we are still short of that point.
One mistake the founder's made was not to leave us with some kind of legal avenue on which to attack this kind of problem--maybe not a mistake but intentional; we need to make the political case to the American people. We need to continue to pursue the legal case because that is part of the understanding. And there isn't any doubt that the Opposing Forces are firing their best shots.
Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God...
I think your looks the most REAL of all of them. LOL
The one with the “tear” was my crappy, hurried image editing.
[Mea culpa...mea culpa maxima]
Please disregard it.
True.
She said she had to show her how to change a diaper, not that she didn't know how.
I assumed it was an innocent typo. Scared to mention any more reference to the alphabet soup. Too confusing and contentious as it is ... :)
I recall Blake quoted as saying “not very well” or “not proficiently” or words to that effect. I remember it because to think that Dunham did not know how to change a diaper at all was so counterintuitive when I first read it a long time ago that, when the interview was posted, I paid particular attention to what Blake was quoted as saying.
Now, perhaps we are talking about two different accounts of the interview or two different interviews with Blake. I’m referring to the one where after about 10 questions she hung up on the interviewer when he revealed he had doubts about Barack Obama’s parentage.
You just made a false statement or was that your poor grammar?
You wrote-
“The judge has already thrown out Orly’s motion. (Not on the merits, but simply because Orly is too incompetent to even file a motion in federal court correctly.)”
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