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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: T'wit

Now you’ve done it.
I’m getting the Oreos. I will have my cookie.


16,961 posted on 04/30/2007 8:24:44 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Jesus Lamb of God...Have Mercy On us")
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To: T'wit

That’s the recipe I use! I bake the ones without pecans first. After I add chopped pecans to the remaining batter, and scoop them onto the trays, I put a pecan half on top, so you can easily see which ones have nuts.


16,962 posted on 04/30/2007 8:24:50 PM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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To: T'wit
3/4 cup white sugar
3/4 cup brown sugar

To cut down on the calories or lower their sugar intake because of diabetes, Splenda is an excellent replacement. Doesn't change the taste of the cookie at all.

16,963 posted on 04/30/2007 8:26:04 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: BykrBayb

“”””you can easily see which ones have nuts”””

That is so important;)


16,964 posted on 04/30/2007 8:26:25 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Centurion2000

“Some of us happened to know and respect those people.”

I know what you’re saying. It’s a shame some are gone. But they just didn’t want to be here.


16,965 posted on 04/30/2007 8:26:43 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Jesus Lamb of God...Have Mercy On us")
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To: sodpoodle

When I bring them to parties, someone always thinks they can just pick the nut off if they don’t like it. They only try that once!


16,966 posted on 04/30/2007 8:27:46 PM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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To: CAluvdubya
I, for one, have always known you to be a scoundrel! /s ;>)

LOL. :-)

16,967 posted on 04/30/2007 8:31:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Spyder
What’s so bad about your guy that you have to tear mine down to make any headway?

You know, its interesting. I have not yet made up my mind about the GOP "field", but I will probably devote my meager efforts to rasing the profile of Ron Paul. I have made up my mind about one thing -- I am convinced that liberalism is a diesease that could very well kill this country. Or turn it completely unrecognizable to those of us that remember the USA as being somewhat free, before the the dammed godless liberals had enough power to dictate everything acceptable to think, say, and do, down to the amount of gas mileage our cars must have.

If your guy is the former mayor of NYC, then tell me: Is he the cure for the disease or just another symptom?

From what I have seen him quoted as saying and telling us he believes, he is just another Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, and Kennedy. Part of the disease with values and beliefs diametrically opposed to most of the conservatives on this site. I simply cannot see myself voting for him in any circumstance -- even if it comes down to him and Chthullo. So, in response to your next question or accusation "So you would rather have Hillary! then?"; I will tell you, I would'nt care who won or lost if it came down to those two because I know that my country would lose either way.

The fact that GOP is seriously considering nominating him goes beyond disturbing, on many levels. If by forming my opinion based on his own words and demonstrated character, expressing my opinion and how it was formed, constitutes me "tearing your guy down", that sounds pretty thin skinned to me.

16,968 posted on 04/30/2007 8:34:43 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: All

Goodnight All.

Sleep well, principled warriors never grow battle weary.


16,969 posted on 04/30/2007 8:40:27 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Jesus Lamb of God...Have Mercy On us")
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To: Cold Heat
I have seen you have taken hiatus, so I can only hope you receive this.

You and I have spoken via freepmail, and what I said then remains true.

That being said, not just the base but a majority of the country would be able to support a review, even comprehensive, of our immigration policies once it was assured that the borders were secured, the law enforced, and illegal immigration slowed to a relative trickle. That ball was entirely in the administration’s court. They failed badly, blame who you will.

I don’t recall the base making a huge to do about abortion, so I decline to touch it. Besides, we just won a small victory, I’ll take what I can get. Stem cells, another issue where the Republican party didn’t ante up. Stem cell research is fine, even embryonic stem cells. They are readily available without cloning. The Republicans should have been chatting this up, that didn’t happen.

We were going to take a hit on the war, that was inevitable, as someone has already commented the public doesn’t like a war that looks like it is going nowhere. That is what the Global War on Terrorism looks like because of Iraq. Nobody’s fault here really, just is what it is.

I take the other RTL issues to mean the Schiavo incident. You are correct that the federal government should not have intervened, if I understand you correctly.

You did not mention the spending issue, or the continuing movement of manufacturers out of the US. People like to know they have some stability in their job. Shame on the Republicans for spending money to such a point the Democrats could argue they would be restrained. That one was totally on congress.

All of that said, the Republicans should have well known where the weaknesses in their defense would be. In that situation in a fight, you regain your balance. What I suggested in the post you replied to would have attempted that. With your balance, and knowledge of the likely points of attack of your opponent you then plan your, attack. When he attacks, along the routes that you have designated, you parry and counterattack. Every situation, even defensive, must be exploited for the maximum offensive advantage available.

What I am getting at is the Republican party was off balance (disorganized) and in a bunker defense mode, against a clumsy and entirely predictable opponent. This will always lose because the other guy (the Democrats in this instance) no matter how clumsy only has to “get lucky” a few times to wear down the defense and win. Which is precisely what happened.

As for the reckoning, I again agree. Though, I place no faith in either politically party or the government in general when that time comes. It is the nature of the beast that it is not worthy of trust.

You are again correct, we are vain and lazy. Usually that has meant an attitude adjustment is right around the corner. There is no way to know with any assurance what form it will take.

Regards.

16,970 posted on 04/30/2007 8:43:42 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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To: RunningWolf; Petronski; Dark Knight

All is forgiven my friend. I don’t even remember the context because I’ve been in lots of discussions on race at FR looking at issues from a lot sides. Life is too short to hold any grudges whatsoever. Petronski can’t even remember the context. My posting has decreased because I’ve been busy with married life,etc. I took a hiatus once because of debates for a week but I’m still around!


16,971 posted on 04/30/2007 8:43:55 PM PDT by cyborg (Just make it to mile 13 cy.)
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To: T'wit; BykrBayb

I usually cut the sugar to at least half what the recipe calls for, sometimes down to a third or a quarter. They tend to come out softer and are just as good.


16,972 posted on 04/30/2007 8:50:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rbmillerjr
I know what you’re saying. It’s a shame some are gone. But they just didn’t want to be here.

With all due respect banning 85 long time posters is an exercise in absolute idiocy.

Rudy Ghouliani completely sucks things that I'm not even going to take the time to mention, but this kind of purge (make no mistake it is one) is the kind of thing that takes salon.com from being a big house of democrats to some dinky little podunk nowhere-ville website in the internet.

Everyone kiss and make up now that the bad people are gone? This is like something out of Nazi Germany or fascist Italy .... this is a damned nightmare of PR for FR. How long until this gets chucked down the memory hole?

How many of these people got banned just because they pi$$ed off a moderator? Someone frakking explain this crap... otherwise ...

If this be an opus ... make the most of it !!!

16,973 posted on 04/30/2007 8:51:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Mo1

Thanks, Jim....!!!

Mo’s A-One in my book..!!!


16,974 posted on 04/30/2007 8:55:35 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: Centurion2000

Grow up.


16,975 posted on 04/30/2007 8:56:35 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: calcowgirl

Hello, Dear.

I stole your picture.


16,976 posted on 04/30/2007 8:57:50 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: Centurion2000

You sound like Al Sharpton on one of his ignorant tirades.


16,977 posted on 04/30/2007 8:58:26 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Centurion2000

Have you read the thread? Not all the posters who got it were long time posters. Some asked for it in request, some in defiant belligerent behavior, some were retreads, some were newb trolls.

There were many that got it that got it for the reasons they would have got it on any other thread. It just so happened that it was here.


16,978 posted on 04/30/2007 8:59:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

You steal all the best pictures. I appreciate that you tell people when you do that. It makes it easy for me. I just follow you around, and whenever you announce you’ve stolen a picture, I know where to look.


16,979 posted on 04/30/2007 8:59:40 PM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Countdown................

You can count? WOW! ;) :)

16,980 posted on 04/30/2007 9:00:21 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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