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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: sissyjane

My conscience is fine, ex-freeper. I’ll sleep tonight secure in the knowledge that I did my duty to do what I could to fight against those who despise life and liberty.


15,801 posted on 04/29/2007 9:22:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: RexTheRunt
Personally I believe that laws will change when people's hearts change, not the other way round.

I respectfully disagree.

Remember, the people did not legalize abortion, and it is therefore not their hearts that must change.

In comparison to slavery, abortion will be much simpler to "un-legalize," since it exists only by virtue of judicial lunacy rather than actual law. Involving the states in this question is both unnecessary and unconstitutional.

We are united states for the purposes outlined in the Preamble. What we need is an executive who understands that fact, the way Lincoln understood it.

15,802 posted on 04/29/2007 9:23:18 PM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: JCEccles; Spiff
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15,803 posted on 04/29/2007 9:23:43 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: dmw

Thank you for viewing that crap hole, so we don’t have to. Your sacrifice does not go unnoticed.


15,804 posted on 04/29/2007 9:23:50 PM PDT by BykrBayb (I've had a howlingly good week, and I'm feeling just peachy. Þ)
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To: RexTheRunt
And which it will be again when Roe is (properly) overturned. Then the pro-life movement will have to change hearts, state by state.

In some states, yes. In my fair state of Alabama it will take one election cycle at most to kick the baby-killing reprobates and their gruesome "clinics" clean across the border.

15,805 posted on 04/29/2007 9:25:30 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: RexTheRunt
Personally I believe that laws will change when people's hearts change, not the other way round.

Is that how the Margaret Sangerites made it possible to off 50 million American babies? They won hearts? I don't think so.

15,806 posted on 04/29/2007 9:27:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Elyse

Funny how you can’t prove the accusations you’re bandying about, huh?


15,807 posted on 04/29/2007 9:30:40 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: BykrBayb
Thanks BykrBayb. Just trying to do my part. ;^)

You’ve done a great job here yourself. Keep up the great work!

I just noticed your tagline—hilarious!! LOL!

15,808 posted on 04/29/2007 9:31:29 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: Gelato

But 71% of Americans want abortion kept legal in some form.


15,809 posted on 04/29/2007 9:32:36 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: Brad's Gramma; don-o
Brad's Gramma wrote: "Oh sure. Whatcha wanna fight about? :)"

In-N-Out Burgers or FatBurgers?

McDonald's for Fries or Burger King?

Taco Bell or El Pollo Loco?

15,810 posted on 04/29/2007 9:34:05 PM PDT by bd476
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To: IrishRainy
71% of Americans want abortion kept legal in some form.

For the record, I am not one of them...but that's a fact. Therefore hearts WILL have to be changed if you want Roe v. Wade overturned.

15,811 posted on 04/29/2007 9:35:18 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: metmom
What I am "pro" is pro-limited government.

If I had my way, the government would be too darned small to do anything about any kind of lifestyle at all. Too small to promote them (no public schools, no "affirmative action"). Too small to financially support them (no marriage tax benefit, because no income taxes). And yes, too small to punish them either, unless they caused provable harm to other citizens.

15,812 posted on 04/29/2007 9:35:34 PM PDT by RexTheRunt (The MSM says "Jump, Republican pigs!" and the GOP tugs its forelock and grabs air.)
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To: bd476; Brad's Gramma; don-o

Less filling, or tastes great?


15,813 posted on 04/29/2007 9:35:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (I've had a howlingly good week, and I'm feeling just peachy. Þ)
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To: IrishRainy
But 71% of Americans want abortion kept legal in some form.

Then let them change the Constitution.

I've got news for you. They won't.

15,814 posted on 04/29/2007 9:36:06 PM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: gondramB; EternalVigilance

“EV also failed to mention that he’s a lobbyist for the state of Idaho, working to abolish state taxes,”

I hope that is true, that is very cool. I hope we have some anti-tax guys from every state.


15,815 posted on 04/29/2007 9:36:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: IrishRainy
Funny how you can’t prove the accusations you’re bandying about, huh?

I can prove it. Many people saw the original link before the thread was pulled at WA and many people, myself included, copied the thread before it was pulled. Why don't you go directly to the source and ask Merry? She posts with you over at WA. She knows there is proof and she can't deny it.

15,816 posted on 04/29/2007 9:37:25 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: IrishRainy; Merry

Oh, I just saw that Merry is still a poster here. We can ping her to the thread to deny it.


15,817 posted on 04/29/2007 9:39:39 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Chena
If zing me, ping me. Thanks.

While Jim lists Thompson and Hunter as his top picks, he has ruled out Rudy Giuliani and will not support or vote for Rudy. Same goes for me.

You on the other hand would gladly support and vote for Rudy if he became the GOP nominee. Your own words speak for themselves.

>>>>>Do not try to imply that because I would vote for Giuliani as a LAST RESORT ...... ~~~ Chena LINK

>>>>>However, when push comes to shove and the Republican candidate is chosen in the primaries, I WILL support that candidate with everything I've got. ~~~ Chena LINK

I see you've also signed up at the newest anti-FReeper website. #205 hehehehehehehe

15,818 posted on 04/29/2007 9:40:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Elyse

Yes, it’s always best to save things like that, and get others to save them too, before mentioning them. Good job.


15,819 posted on 04/29/2007 9:40:41 PM PDT by BykrBayb (I've had a howlingly good week, and I'm feeling just peachy. Þ)
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To: Gelato
What we need is an executive who understands that fact, the way Lincoln understood it.

I assume this means that you want the President to issue an EO banning abortions nationwide.

(please restate if I'm wrong)

Is there any recognized Presidential candidate who is committed to doing this? Would you vote only for such a candidate?

15,820 posted on 04/29/2007 9:40:57 PM PDT by RexTheRunt (The MSM says "Jump, Republican pigs!" and the GOP tugs its forelock and grabs air.)
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