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Why young-age creationism is good for science
Journal of Creation ^ | Brett W. Smith

Posted on 12/07/2009 7:30:12 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

The current treatment of young-age creationists in the scientific community and society at large is unfair and unwise. Scientists and philosophers of science, including old-age creationists and naturalists, should respect youngage creationists as legitimate contributors to science. Young-age creationists offer to the current origins science establishment a competing rational viewpoint that will augment fruitful scientific investigation through increased accountability for scientists, introduction of original hypotheses and general epistemic improvement...

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To: valkyry1

>>for the way you come across, the only place you are a scientist is in your head<<

Well, since that is where my thinking happens, I am good with your analysis. It is clear your thinking comes from your backside, so I’ll take mine.

And if you have CONCRETE arguments that refute my statements about science and the scientific method bring them.

If not, then take your ad hominem and put it in your bike’s flowered basket and pedal up the road with your little fellow ignorant sweeties and play ball and jacks.


101 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:40 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Well for one thing, your arguments /as you) are CONCRETE if nothing else


102 posted on 12/08/2009 1:04:13 AM PST by valkyry1 (E)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes, that is real geology. Trying to make 100 t0 200 year old oil into umpteen million year old oil is fantasy.

Is assuming that uranium samples being mixed with lead and transuranics in excactly the proportions that indicate billions of years worth of decay doesn't mean they're really that old, no matter how many times you see it really science?

103 posted on 12/08/2009 3:18:23 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: docbnj

According to their science — they should jump off a cliff... and call it a lake, and water will magically appear..


104 posted on 12/08/2009 3:56:06 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Why young-age creationism is good for science

It gives it something to snicker at?

105 posted on 12/08/2009 3:59:28 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

exactly.


106 posted on 12/08/2009 4:00:21 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: valkyry1

I thought so...


107 posted on 12/08/2009 4:40:17 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So THIS pants-load is "defending religious freedom"???

YEC will NEVER be "good" for "science." It will remain outside the science world where it belongs....wouldn't want to invalidate many fields of real science on a religious whim.

The current treatment of young-age creationists in the scientific community and society at large is unfair and unwise.

Oh no!!!! Science ignores YEC nonsense and (sniff)...it's...(sniff) unfaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiir!!!! Call a freakin' wahmbulance!! "Science" should ignore YEC as, being nothing more than a theology, it is incompatible WITH science.

Scientists and philosophers of science, including old-age creationists and naturalists, should respect youngage creationists as legitimate contributors to science.

SOrry, I don't even lump "philosophers of science" in with "scientsists"......and the notion that scientists should respect YECers as "legitimate contributors to science" is laughably ludicrous. Yeah..."wiping many fields of science away" is "contributing"...

Young-age creationists offer to the current origins science establishment a competing rational viewpoint that will augment fruitful scientific investigation through increased accountability for scientists, introduction of original hypotheses and general epistemic improvement.

The current "origins" "science" is based in theory....there is no way a YECer can offer a viable SCIENTIFIC viewpoint to alter the scientific theories of origins science......a misnomer, if you ask me. That's EXACTLY what the science world needs, more YECers involved in peer-review.

It is no secret; young-age creationists (hereafter YACs) have a poor reputation in the scientific community at large.

Ya don't say....but "YACs" is a good one to remember.

It may be worth asking why most scientists criticize young-age creationists, but such is not the goal of this article.

MAYBE....just going out on a limb here.....because YACs believe that which is incompatible with many fields of science, and they pervert what they don't wholly discount to fit their "Man lived with dinosaurs" story.

The goal is rather to state positively why all scientists and philosophers of science.....should see young-age creationism (hereafter YAC) as a good thing for science.

Gee....DO tell...

The basic idea is that YACs offer to the current origins science establishment a competing rational viewpoint that will augment fruitful scientific investigation through increased accountability for scientists, introduction of original hypotheses, and general epistemic improvement.

...and why should scientists accept YAC claims when they know theology and science don't mix.....and stop trying to raise YAC claims to the level of "science", where they do not belong.

108 posted on 12/08/2009 4:46:23 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: ElectronVolt

Xenu Ruelz!


109 posted on 12/08/2009 5:56:43 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Life is a tragedy for those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. - Horace Walpole)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

This guy has them nailed. Completely.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2402741/posts


110 posted on 12/08/2009 6:16:55 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The title might well be posed as a question but in the reverse, Will science be good for YEC or creationism at all?

Science has largely become synonymous with materialism, claiming what will not yield to its examinations must shunted to the side of “belief”, a fluffy sweet dessert apart from the meat and marrow of “reality”. Enjoy your dessert, just don't try to live on it, so to speak.

If YEC (and others) want their views of the universe's formation to be accepted as scientific then either they will use the means and methods of the materialists or they will have to stop letting the materialists define “science” in such a way that it only applies to themselves, their methods, and yes, their beliefs, their faith in science.

111 posted on 12/08/2009 10:18:23 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tacticalogic
"Is assuming that uranium samples being mixed with lead and transuranics in excactly the proportions that indicate billions of years worth of decay doesn't mean they're really that old, no matter how many times you see it really science?"

Here we have a 'question' that consists of nothing but propagandistic support of specious assumptions of original conditions (AKA circular reasoning) that would be meaningless to bother answering. But I will say that it is obvious that no science was ever involved in the making of the assumptions; it was politics, and deviant sociology at best.

112 posted on 12/08/2009 10:26:14 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


113 posted on 12/08/2009 10:26:29 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor
Here we have a 'question' that consists of nothing but propagandistic support of specious assumptions of original conditions (AKA circular reasoning) that would be meaningless to bother answering. But I will say that it is obvious that no science was ever involved in the making of the assumptions; it was politics, and deviant sociology at best.

But you'll submit that no one can make any assumpition about the age based on radiometric decay because we don't know what the original manifest was.

114 posted on 12/08/2009 11:25:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Basically.


115 posted on 12/08/2009 12:02:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Basically.

Good luck with that.

116 posted on 12/08/2009 12:06:30 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I didn’t say that the information present in the world de facto proved the God of the Bible. I was simply arguing that the information present in nature is a compelling argument for a Creator and that it is unscientiffic to rule out any possibility of a God by definition. I would consider other facts such as the reliability of its historical claims (which can be tested through archeology) to test the truth of one religion as apposed to another.


117 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:32 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin
I didn’t say that the information present in the world de facto proved the God of the Bible.

Of course not - it's understood that Vishnu created the world, right?

I would consider other facts such as the reliability of its historical claims (which can be tested through archeology) to test the truth of one religion as apposed to another.

How do you know the archeological artifacts you dig up/reveal are accurate in terms of dates and times?

118 posted on 12/08/2009 12:19:28 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: freedumb2003
He created a Universe of complex yet discoverable and definable rules

And discovering those rules of the Creator through science will point back to Creation. Obviously.

119 posted on 12/08/2009 1:09:13 PM PST by what's up
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To: editor-surveyor

Why would the physical laws have changed over time?

What would have caused this change?

Do you have any evidence that physical laws have changed has?


120 posted on 12/08/2009 2:23:05 PM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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