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First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait -
ScienceDaily ^ | July 17, 2008

Posted on 07/16/2008 8:02:06 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests --

Research by a Valparaiso University geography professor and his students on the creation of Kankakee Sand Islands of Northwest Indiana is lending support to evidence that the first humans to settle the Americas came from Europe, a discovery that overturns decades of classroom lessons that nomadic tribes from Asia crossed a Bering Strait land-ice bridge. Valparaiso is a member of the Council on Undergraduate Research.

Dr. Ron Janke began studying the origins of the Kankakee Sand Islands – a series of hundreds of small, moon-shaped dunes that stretch from the southern tips of Lake and Porter counties in Northwest Indiana into northeastern Illinois – about 12 years ago. Over the past few years, approximately a dozen Valparaiso undergraduates have worked with Dr. Janke to create the first detailed maps of the Kankakee Sand Islands, study their composition and survey wildlife and plants inhabiting the islands.

Based upon the long-held belief that most of the upper Midwest was covered by a vast ice sheet up until about 10,000 years ago, Dr. Janke said he and other scientists surmised the Kankakee Sand Islands were created by sand in meltwater from the receding glacier.

That belief was challenged, however, when he and his students discovered a year and a half ago that the islands were composed of sand that had come from Lake Michigan – something that should have been impossible with the Valparaiso Moraine standing between the lake and the Kankakee Sand Islands.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: europe; godsgravesglyphs; kankakeesandislands; lakemichigan; newworld; precolumbian; science

1 posted on 07/16/2008 8:02:07 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That’s heresy to the Injins. Remember how they tried to keep Kennewick man from being studies, especially after they figured out he looked like Patrick Stewart?

I just have one question. Where my casino?


2 posted on 07/16/2008 8:06:45 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: Free ThinkerNY

very interesting.

“native americans” will be protesting.


3 posted on 07/16/2008 8:07:12 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans? I have to get my popcorn ready...


4 posted on 07/16/2008 8:07:46 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Placemarker.


5 posted on 07/16/2008 8:07:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: seowulf

yes.

and the clinton administration helped the indians out,

against the wishes of the archaeological community.


6 posted on 07/16/2008 8:08:11 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The native Americans when the first colonists came here in the 1600s did not look chinese and they did not look european.

I think it was more heavily Mongol in heritage, but that’s just a matter of numbers and genetics.


7 posted on 07/16/2008 8:09:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Yep. The later Asian/Mongoloid migrations perpetrated genocide on the earlier European settlers.


8 posted on 07/16/2008 8:14:18 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping


9 posted on 07/16/2008 8:14:40 PM PDT by indcons
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To: ken21

The Klinton administration was not kind to the northwest considering spotted owls, justice department lawsuits, and such.

Makes you wonder why there are so many demos around here. Just stupidity, I guess.


10 posted on 07/16/2008 8:18:07 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am Italian and German descent. I demand reparations!!!


11 posted on 07/16/2008 8:22:36 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Were they French?


12 posted on 07/16/2008 8:24:24 PM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: seowulf
Kennewick Man is, indeed, an interesting chapter in the history of suppression of genuine research in favor of political correctness.

An old professor of Indian migration that I once knew was scorned by most of his professional colleagues for stating that at least some Native American tribes moved here from somewhere other than the popular Bering Straight land-bridge source.

To agree with the orthodox view is to scorn the ancient people as inferior and incapable of moving over large bodies of water. While comforting to the superiority complex of modern man, it does not explain how evidence of the existence of ancient man in islands which could not have been reached by land bridges also weakens the orthodox theory that 100% of ancient man in places connected by land bridges could only have migrated in such manner.

13 posted on 07/16/2008 8:26:24 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Army Air Corps

Nope! They were exposed to the diseases of the invading Asiatic hordes , who then stole their land, after they hunted all the megafauna to extinction , that the Caucasian indigenous peoples depended upon for their cul de sac bbqs.


14 posted on 07/16/2008 8:31:09 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: redstateconfidential
...that the Caucasian indigenous peoples depended upon for their cul de sac bbqs.

Thus, the foundation was laid for tail gate parties...
15 posted on 07/16/2008 8:33:47 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hmmmm, a fair amount of my lineage is Native American. I guess that all my lineage may be European...


16 posted on 07/16/2008 8:35:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ikka

I am Italian and German descent. I demand reparations!!! ................... You will have to fight for them, but being Italian and German means you start the fight and and surrender right away?


17 posted on 07/16/2008 8:36:23 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (If everyone stays home and no one votes will Congress disappear?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Damn whitey has stuck his nose in about everything in the past 2000 years.


18 posted on 07/16/2008 8:40:31 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I read an article a few years ago that stated that most of the “full blooded” members of “Indian” tribes common to the northeastern United States had some European DNA. I guess they were on to something.


19 posted on 07/16/2008 9:42:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The U.S. Constitution was not written to protect those who want to destroy America.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; indcons

Thanks FTNY for the topic and indcons for the ping ...alas...

Research Casts New Light On History Of North America
Newswise | 7-1-2008 | Valparaiso University
Posted on 07/01/2008 10:26:26 AM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2039278/posts


20 posted on 07/16/2008 10:21:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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21 posted on 07/16/2008 10:21:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Army Air Corps
So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans?

Actually, it is almost certain that most American Indians today are descended from Asians--genetics bear that out. So what it really means is that the ancestors of current American Indians wiped out the earlier inhabitants of North America, who were European.

How's that for popcorn? Reparations anyone?

22 posted on 07/16/2008 10:26:20 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Free ThinkerNY; SunkenCiv; All

I recall dating a young lady in college who was full-blooded Sioux Indian. She repeatedly told me that the Sioux were not related to other Indian tribes, and were in her words “genetically Caucasian.”

Being more concerned with the fact that she was quite good-looking and a lot of fun to be with, I paid very little mind to the veracity of her genetic claims - they made no difference to me.

I wonder now if her story had some truth to it.


23 posted on 07/16/2008 10:33:44 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: Army Air Corps

“So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans?”

Not so hard to believe. Remember how F-Troop’s Indians looked Italian?.......


24 posted on 07/16/2008 10:36:57 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Considering that a fair amount of my ancestry is American Indian, this has possibilites. The rest of my lineage is German, English, and Scot. Maybe a new name is in order. Hans Littlefeather. Angus Running Deer. Hmmmmmm....


25 posted on 07/16/2008 10:41:00 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Or.....

Buffalo Haggis Spotted Dick Schnitzengruben


26 posted on 07/16/2008 10:47:44 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Next year is the 2000th anniversary of when Herman annihilated 3 Roman legions and freed the land between the Rhine and the Elbe from Roman rule.

So...does your German half owe your Italian half reparations for the massacre of Roman troops, or does your Italian half owe reparations to your German half for trying to subjugate and exploit your German ancestors?

27 posted on 07/16/2008 10:48:16 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: shibumi; blam

I don’t know. Could have been a Post-Columbian result.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A850006

http://www.dnatribes.com/?gclid=CKD4jfCkxpQCFQKaFQodkAnakg


28 posted on 07/16/2008 11:31:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Fascinating read. Believe it or not PBS had a show suggesting Salutrians were the first to arrive in America by navigating the ice flows in the Atlantic..


29 posted on 07/17/2008 3:44:24 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (All things shall be well; You shall see for yourself that all manner of things shall be well)
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To: shibumi

The Lakota Originally moved out onto the plains from the eastern areas of Minnesota and possibly more eastern than than that if traced to their true origins. This might also shed some light on the physical differences between the eastern and western tribes and could also account for the language separations.

A through genetic study of of tribes across the nation could lead to a genome mapping and possible migration trail of the tribes. It would interesting to see where the outfall of asian and european influences occur.


30 posted on 07/17/2008 3:47:48 AM PDT by .44 Special (Táimid Buarch)
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To: seowulf
Kennewick Man is, indeed, an interesting chapter in the history of suppression of genuine research in favor of political correctness.

An old professor of Indian migration that I once knew was scorned by most of his professional colleagues for stating that at least some Native American tribes moved here from somewhere other than the popular Bering Straight land-bridge source.

To agree with the orthodox view is to scorn the ancient people as inferior and incapable of moving over large bodies of water. While comforting to the superiority complex of modern man, it does not explain how evidence of the existence of ancient man in islands which could not have been reached by land bridges also weakens the orthodox theory that 100% of ancient man in places connected by land bridges could only have migrated in such manner.

31 posted on 07/17/2008 5:07:07 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: seowulf
Yep. The later Asian/Mongoloid migrations perpetrated genocide on the earlier European settlers.

1. European? Many peoples we consider "European" were not in Europe 15,000 years ago.
2. About 12,000 years ago there seems to have been a comet or meteor explosion over North america. The resulting fires and then cold snap is now blamed. Not that migrants from Asia would not have taken advantage of the dislocation of the true first peoples resulting in conflict.
32 posted on 07/17/2008 3:55:06 PM PDT by rmlew (Liberalism is like AIDS; it destroys the natural defenses of a nation or civilization.)
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To: rmlew
Many peoples we consider "European" were not in Europe 15,000 years ago.

Some, perhaps.

However, one of the major haplotypes R1a1-1 dates back to the late upper Paleolithic, maybe 17 or 18K years ago. Of course R1a1-1 mutations occurred in Europe at varying times afterward.

Most of the ancestors of Europeans were living on the edge of the ice and south (in Europe) at the last glacial maximum.

I was being a bit facetious regarding genocide of "Europeans" though. The population of North America would probably have been much to sparse to make killing your neighbor hundreds of miles away worthwhile.

Whether it was a comet, disease, or whatever, the fact that they were here is not something the so-called native peoples are willing to contemplate, whether for spiritual or, more likely, economic reasons. Some people just like being victims because it is so profitable.

33 posted on 07/17/2008 7:25:03 PM PDT by seowulf
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