First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait -

ScienceDaily ^ | July 17, 2008

[Free ThinkerNY]

Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests --

Research by a Valparaiso University geography professor and his students on the creation of Kankakee Sand Islands of Northwest Indiana is lending support to evidence that the first humans to settle the Americas came from Europe, a discovery that overturns decades of classroom lessons that nomadic tribes from Asia crossed a Bering Strait land-ice bridge. Valparaiso is a member of the Council on Undergraduate Research.

Dr. Ron Janke began studying the origins of the Kankakee Sand Islands – a series of hundreds of small, moon-shaped dunes that stretch from the southern tips of Lake and Porter counties in Northwest Indiana into northeastern Illinois – about 12 years ago. Over the past few years, approximately a dozen Valparaiso undergraduates have worked with Dr. Janke to create the first detailed maps of the Kankakee Sand Islands, study their composition and survey wildlife and plants inhabiting the islands.

Based upon the long-held belief that most of the upper Midwest was covered by a vast ice sheet up until about 10,000 years ago, Dr. Janke said he and other scientists surmised the Kankakee Sand Islands were created by sand in meltwater from the receding glacier.

That belief was challenged, however, when he and his students discovered a year and a half ago that the islands were composed of sand that had come from Lake Michigan – something that should have been impossible with the Valparaiso Moraine standing between the lake and the Kankakee Sand Islands.

[seowulf]

That’s heresy to the Injins. Remember how they tried to keep Kennewick man from being studies, especially after they figured out he looked like Patrick Stewart?

I just have one question. Where my casino?

[ken21]

very interesting.

“native americans” will be protesting.

[Army Air Corps]

So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans? I have to get my popcorn ready...

[Coyoteman]

Placemarker.

[ken21]

yes.

and the clinton administration helped the indians out,

against the wishes of the archaeological community.

[Dog Gone]

The native Americans when the first colonists came here in the 1600s did not look chinese and they did not look european.

I think it was more heavily Mongol in heritage, but that’s just a matter of numbers and genetics.

[seowulf]

Yep. The later Asian/Mongoloid migrations perpetrated genocide on the earlier European settlers.

[indcons]

GGG Ping

[seowulf]

The Klinton administration was not kind to the northwest considering spotted owls, justice department lawsuits, and such.

Makes you wonder why there are so many demos around here. Just stupidity, I guess.

[ikka]

I am Italian and German descent. I demand reparations!!!

[kenavi]

Were they French?

[Vigilanteman]

Kennewick Man is, indeed, an interesting chapter in the history of suppression of genuine research in favor of political correctness.

An old professor of Indian migration that I once knew was scorned by most of his professional colleagues for stating that at least some Native American tribes moved here from somewhere other than the popular Bering Straight land-bridge source.

To agree with the orthodox view is to scorn the ancient people as inferior and incapable of moving over large bodies of water. While comforting to the superiority complex of modern man, it does not explain how evidence of the existence of ancient man in islands which could not have been reached by land bridges also weakens the orthodox theory that 100% of ancient man in places connected by land bridges could only have migrated in such manner.

[redstateconfidential]

Nope! They were exposed to the diseases of the invading Asiatic hordes , who then stole their land, after they hunted all the megafauna to extinction , that the Caucasian indigenous peoples depended upon for their cul de sac bbqs.

[Army Air Corps]

...that the Caucasian indigenous peoples depended upon for their cul de sac bbqs.

Thus, the foundation was laid for tail gate parties...

[Army Air Corps]

Hmmmm, a fair amount of my lineage is Native American. I guess that all my lineage may be European...

[Bringbackthedraft]

I am Italian and German descent. I demand reparations!!! ................... You will have to fight for them, but being Italian and German means you start the fight and and surrender right away?

[353FMG]

Damn whitey has stuck his nose in about everything in the past 2000 years.

[FlingWingFlyer]

I read an article a few years ago that stated that most of the “full blooded” members of “Indian” tribes common to the northeastern United States had some European DNA. I guess they were on to something.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks FTNY for the topic and indcons for the ping ...alas...

Research Casts New Light On History Of North America
Newswise | 7-1-2008 | Valparaiso University
Posted on 07/01/2008 10:26:26 AM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2039278/posts

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[ModelBreaker]

So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans?

Actually, it is almost certain that most American Indians today are descended from Asians--genetics bear that out. So what it really means is that the ancestors of current American Indians wiped out the earlier inhabitants of North America, who were European.

How's that for popcorn? Reparations anyone?

[shibumi]

I recall dating a young lady in college who was full-blooded Sioux Indian. She repeatedly told me that the Sioux were not related to other Indian tribes, and were in her words “genetically Caucasian.”

Being more concerned with the fact that she was quite good-looking and a lot of fun to be with, I paid very little mind to the veracity of her genetic claims - they made no difference to me.

I wonder now if her story had some truth to it.

[Beowulf9]

“So, Native Americans may be descended from eeeeeeevil Europeans?”

Not so hard to believe. Remember how F-Troop’s Indians looked Italian?.......

[Army Air Corps]

Considering that a fair amount of my ancestry is American Indian, this has possibilites. The rest of my lineage is German, English, and Scot. Maybe a new name is in order. Hans Littlefeather. Angus Running Deer. Hmmmmmm....

[shibumi]

Or.....

Buffalo Haggis Spotted Dick Schnitzengruben

[Verginius Rufus]

Next year is the 2000th anniversary of when Herman annihilated 3 Roman legions and freed the land between the Rhine and the Elbe from Roman rule.

So...does your German half owe your Italian half reparations for the massacre of Roman troops, or does your Italian half owe reparations to your German half for trying to subjugate and exploit your German ancestors?

[SunkenCiv]

I don’t know. Could have been a Post-Columbian result.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A850006

http://www.dnatribes.com/?gclid=CKD4jfCkxpQCFQKaFQodkAnakg

[Kid Shelleen]

Fascinating read. Believe it or not PBS had a show suggesting Salutrians were the first to arrive in America by navigating the ice flows in the Atlantic..

[.44 Special]

The Lakota Originally moved out onto the plains from the eastern areas of Minnesota and possibly more eastern than than that if traced to their true origins. This might also shed some light on the physical differences between the eastern and western tribes and could also account for the language separations.

A through genetic study of of tribes across the nation could lead to a genome mapping and possible migration trail of the tribes. It would interesting to see where the outfall of asian and european influences occur.

[Vigilanteman]

Kennewick Man is, indeed, an interesting chapter in the history of suppression of genuine research in favor of political correctness.

An old professor of Indian migration that I once knew was scorned by most of his professional colleagues for stating that at least some Native American tribes moved here from somewhere other than the popular Bering Straight land-bridge source.

To agree with the orthodox view is to scorn the ancient people as inferior and incapable of moving over large bodies of water. While comforting to the superiority complex of modern man, it does not explain how evidence of the existence of ancient man in islands which could not have been reached by land bridges also weakens the orthodox theory that 100% of ancient man in places connected by land bridges could only have migrated in such manner.

[rmlew]

Yep. The later Asian/Mongoloid migrations perpetrated genocide on the earlier European settlers.

1. European? Many peoples we consider "European" were not in Europe 15,000 years ago.
2. About 12,000 years ago there seems to have been a comet or meteor explosion over North america. The resulting fires and then cold snap is now blamed. Not that migrants from Asia would not have taken advantage of the dislocation of the true first peoples resulting in conflict.

[seowulf]

Many peoples we consider "European" were not in Europe 15,000 years ago.

Some, perhaps.

However, one of the major haplotypes R1a1-1 dates back to the late upper Paleolithic, maybe 17 or 18K years ago. Of course R1a1-1 mutations occurred in Europe at varying times afterward.

Most of the ancestors of Europeans were living on the edge of the ice and south (in Europe) at the last glacial maximum.

I was being a bit facetious regarding genocide of "Europeans" though. The population of North America would probably have been much to sparse to make killing your neighbor hundreds of miles away worthwhile.

Whether it was a comet, disease, or whatever, the fact that they were here is not something the so-called native peoples are willing to contemplate, whether for spiritual or, more likely, economic reasons. Some people just like being victims because it is so profitable.