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Surviving Winter in the Middle Ages
YouTube ^ | December 16, 2022 | MedievalMadness

Posted on 12/25/2022 12:52:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv

How did people live and die during the harshest months of the year? How did they stay warm? What did they eat? How did they keep themselves entertained in an age before modern day luxuries like electric blankets, double glazing, and Netflix? The onset of the Little Ice Age, between 1300 until about 1870 meant that the long, dark winters of the Late Middle Ages were colder and more dangerous. With starvation and death from illness always threatening to strike, winter was a frightening time. Welcome to Medieval Madness.
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For European peasants winter was an especially difficult time, but some winters are more difficult than others. In the fifteenth century, a series of particularly bad winters struck throughout the 1430s, causing famine, exacerbating disease, and changing culture.
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1 posted on 12/25/2022 12:52:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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0:00[Music]
0:01as I sit here with three electric
0:03blankets wrapped around me powered on
0:05full my bottom half and a foot spa
0:07filled with boiling water and my hair on
0:09fire in an attempt to keep warm I'm
0:11wondering how did people live or even
0:13die during the harshest months of the
0:15year in the Middle Ages how did they
0:17stay warm what did they eat how did they
0:19keep themselves entertained in an age
0:21before modern day luxuries like double
0:23glazing God of War Ragnarok and Netflix
0:26the onset of the little ice age between
0:281300 until about 1870 meant that the
0:32long dark winters of the late Middle
0:33Ages were colder and more dangerous with
0:36starvation and death from illness always
0:38threatening to strike winter was a
0:41frightening time welcome to Medieval
0:43Madness
0:49foreign
0:57most peasant houses were badly insulated
0:59and would be full of cold droughts made
1:02from wood wattle and daub European
1:04houses were often built on top of Earth
1:06Mounds which helped to keep them warm a
1:08fire which provided heat as well as a
1:10place for cooking was often Central to
1:12the home with ventilation holes in the
1:13roof rather than a central chimney which
1:15would lose too much heat and leave the
1:17house open to the elements of course
1:20this meant that the peasants would reek
1:21of smoke as soot would quickly
1:23accumulate especially during the winter
1:25months sometimes there would be a second
1:27floor which would be reached by a ladder
1:29and would be used for storage tables and
1:32beds would be in the main area around
1:33the fire there might be an adjacent area
1:35where livestock could be kept the
1:38Vikings of Scandinavia built long narrow
1:40fire pits in their long houses these
1:42fires were lined with stones which
1:44absorbed heat from the flames and
1:46allowed it to be distributed throughout
1:47the building Viking long houses had
1:50integrated buyers where cattle would be
1:52sheltered during the colder months not
1:54only were cows chickens and pigs kept as
1:56a source of food and roma materials but
1:58also as a source of heat using animals
2:00for their additional body heat had its
2:02drawbacks though it meant that life
2:04indoors was crowded stinky and noisy but
2:07at least you wouldn't freeze to death if
2:09you were spooning a pig with a decent
2:10fire blazing some Marvin Gaye playing in
2:12the background a couple nice bottles of
2:14Chateau Cheval Blanc you get the picture
2:16in houses which used portable braziers
2:19safety was quite a problem and many
2:21houses burned down because of
2:23carelessness Stone buildings are
2:25notoriously cold and glass windows were
2:27only for the elite in the winter months
2:29of the 1230s London's Palace of
2:31Westminster was glazed so that the
2:33chamber may not be so windy as it used
2:35to be it did not solve the problem of
2:37coldness but at least it stopped any icy
2:39winds from blowing through the building
2:40and in southern France on the island of
2:43magilon the cathedral windows were
2:45sealed with plaster during the colder
2:46months poorer people could only try and
2:49cover their wall openings with paper or
2:50foliage to prevent drafts
2:55clothing
2:57a combination of both insulation and
2:59radiation were the best ways of keeping
3:01warm and this was done by being near to
3:04a heat source and keeping the warmth
3:05trapped near to the body with thick
3:07clothing layering was the easiest way of
3:09achieving this linen undergarments would
3:11be worn beneath wool and outer clothing
3:13wool was hot heavy and very itchy so the
3:16linen would act as a barrier between the
3:18wool and the skin it was also so much
3:20easier to wash and dry linen clothes
3:22Outdoor Clothing such as boots Woolen
3:25gloves scarves and cloaks would be worn
3:27indoors in the coldest months between
3:29the smoke sweat and animals Indoor
3:32Winter living for the medievals must
3:33have been a particularly pungent time
3:35when Out of Doors fully more affluent a
3:38metal hand warmer could be obtained
3:40priests might use these as their hands
3:42would become numb during long sermons in
3:44a freezing cold Church the thought that
3:46the Blessed Sacrament might be dropped
3:48during communion was scandalous so a
3:50decorative hand warmer would be used
3:52made from metal the hinged Bowl was
3:54perforated and filled with hot charcoal
3:56which would allow the heat to escape and
3:58warm the hands without burning them
3:59bricks and stones would also be heated
4:01in the fire and then wrapped in cloth to
4:03be taken to bed as a kind of medieval
4:05hot water bottle for those who were
4:07wealthy enough their winter clothing
4:08would be fur lined and even peasants
4:10might use rabbit and lambskins for the
4:12same purpose certainly not as glamorous
4:15as I mean but just as effective in
4:17keeping out the cold
4:18of course permission from the Lord would
4:20be needed to catch any game these
4:22Sanctuary laws of 1363 made it illegal
4:24for anyone other than the wives and
4:26Daughters of land-owning peasants and
4:28craftspeople to wear Fox lamb rabbit or
4:31cat fur
4:33weather
4:36it wasn't just those in the north that
4:38suffered from the cold in some instances
4:40the weather on Mainland Europe could be
4:42particularly brutal during the winter of
4:451363 to 64 most major rivers and lakes
4:48froze over between December and March at
4:51Mains in Germany the Rhine was frozen
4:53for 70 days this allowed the town of
4:55cologne which was further Downstream to
4:57hold a market on the icy River the town
4:59of fosseis and Belgium was covered in
5:01snow for over three months and even in
5:03southern Europe the Venetian Lagoon the
5:06Atlantic ocean near to Bordeaux and
5:07France and the Estuary of their own were
5:09frozen during February of 1352 the
5:13Florentine area of Italy was covered in
5:15a snow blanket for over a month and in
5:171359 quote the snow Rose across central
5:21Italy to an extraordinary height so to
5:24lighten up the roofs the snow was thrown
5:27into the streets and some of the towns
5:29were blocked with inhabitants trapped
5:30for several days in their homes bologna
5:33saw drifts of up to 18 feet and in
5:35Medina they were even higher the winter
5:38of 1389 saw dramatic impressive
5:41snowfalls in the lazer region of
5:43Southern France a Chronicle from the
5:45city of Montpellier recorded quote
5:48these snowfalls were so great that they
5:50destroyed many farmsteads
5:52many died because their houses fell down
5:55on them other people died of cold others
5:58of hunger
5:59because people had run out of provisions
6:03this sort of weather was normal in
6:05Scandinavian countries and would not
6:07have hampered travel and communication
6:09as it did further south the Vikings used
6:11various types of skis for hunting and
6:13transport in other parts of Europe
6:15peasants were more likely to have boots
6:17and slays pulled by horse which meant
6:19that long distance travel was not an
6:21option in bad weather isolated and
6:23mountainous areas such as those in
6:25Lozier were unlikely to survive during
6:27the harshest Winters
6:31food
6:33in farming communities the work was
6:35endless and there was always something
6:37that needed to be done hey lots of
6:39preparation and hard work was needed to
6:41survive a medieval winter the Gathering
6:43of firewood might go on from as early as
6:45spring and through the summer when it
6:47would be collected bundled and stored
6:50any food that was harvested in the
6:52Autumn would need to be preserved in
6:53some way to last over the winter months
6:55pickling smoking drying and brining were
6:59often used as ways to make meat and
7:00other produce stay fresh for as long as
7:02possible grains cereals and pulses would
7:05be dried out and stored in either
7:07ceramic or clay pots so that they could
7:08be put into potted stews and soups later
7:11ground up grain could also be added to
7:13Breads and biscuits fresh fruits and
7:15berries would be particularly hard to
7:17find over the winter months so they had
7:19to be preserved by air drying or
7:21pickling in the summer goats cows and
7:24chickens would provide fresh milk and
7:25eggs dairy products being an essential
7:28part of the diet milk could be made in
7:30into butter cheese or yogurt in
7:33Scandinavia a sort of sour milk cheese
7:35called skya was eaten in huge quantities
7:37after the milk had been curdled and
7:39strained to make cheese whey is left
7:41over as a byproduct and is perfect for
7:43use in pickling a large keg or Cask
7:46might hold up to 30 liters or 53 pints
7:49of whey and could easily hold a side of
7:51beef salted smoked and dried lamb beef
7:54ham and fish could be kept for an
7:56extremely long time most people would
7:58live near to a source of fresh water
8:00whether that would be a well stream or
8:02river so its collection shouldn't have
8:04been a problem in the case of extreme
8:06weather when people found themselves
8:08trapped inside then the snow itself
8:09could be melted and used
8:14the Great Famine
8:17of course no one can gather in the crops
8:19if there is nothing to harvest famines
8:21in Europe were thought to have occurred
8:22about once every 20 years the worst of
8:25these was the Great Famine of
8:271315-1317. very heavy rain hit in the
8:30spring of 1315 causing the crops to fail
8:33which was only the beginning of the
8:35misery to come crop yield fell by up to
8:37a third as it seemed as though the
8:39Reigns would never end and animals died
8:41because of starvation and disease the
8:44catastrophe caused huge levels of
8:46criminal behavior that included
8:47infanticide and cannibalism Europe did
8:50not recover fully until 1322. the famine
8:53affected up to 30 million people wiping
8:56out between one and a half to three
8:57million although the black death in the
8:59middle of the 14th century was going to
9:01be more deadly the Great Famine was the
9:04late Middle Ages worst natural disaster
9:08entertainment
9:09[Music]
9:12after making sure that all maintenance
9:14work was taken care of and chores were
9:16done people needed something to do to
9:18avoid going stir crazy not much
9:20agricultural work could be done in
9:22Winter and a lot of time was spent
9:24indoors medievals might enjoy games in
9:26the snow though such as sludging and ice
9:28skating on frozen lakes and rivers using
9:30horse Shin bones or pieces of polished
9:32wood escapes later the skates were made
9:34from Iron in Viking communities snowball
9:37fights were thought to have been a great
9:38way for training the children for future
9:40battles the book of hours from 1460 that
9:44belonged to the Duchess of burgundy
9:45shows an illumination of a snowball
9:47fight with children and adults and there
9:49are other depictions in frescoes and
9:51manuscripts indole's time was spent
9:54spinning wool telling stories or playing
9:56games board games like chess and
9:58backgammon were popular as were dice
10:00games Vikings tended to play board games
10:03of strategy the inability combined sport
10:06with the procurement of food with their
10:08winter boar hunts one of the most highly
10:10read texts in the high Middle Ages was
10:12the secretum secretorum the Treatise
10:14covers many topics from ethics to
10:16astrology and medicine to Justice it
10:19states that the dominant humor during
10:21the winter season was phlegm and its
10:23harmful effects could be prevented by a
10:25change of diet hot Meats such as pigeon
10:27game and mutton and fine red wines are
10:30recommended whereas bloodletting
10:32fornication and laxatives should be
10:34avoided as should any sort of
10:36overindulgence although it is better to
10:38overeat in the colder months rather than
10:40at any other time because the natural
10:41heat of the body is drawn inwards and
10:43this results in better digestion good
10:45knowledge to have in the season that
10:47includes Christmas for those living in
10:49the southern regions of Europe which
10:50experience the warm temperatures and hot
10:52summers a harsh medieval winter would
10:54have come as quite a shock those in the
10:56Northern areas were better experienced
10:58and equipped to cope with the ice and
11:00snow with their pelts and ski
11:02dangers came from starvation as food
11:04stores would diminish and lower
11:06temperatures always meant the easiest
11:07spread of disease as people were crammed
11:09together indoors stockpiles or
11:11Provisions would help keep the people
11:13warm and fed but for the medievals in
11:15the depths of winter death was never
11:17very far away
11:19thank you for watching this episode of
11:20Medieval Madness do hope you're staying
11:22warm this winter and we'll see you next
11:24Friday for another episode cheers

2 posted on 12/25/2022 12:54:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

3 posted on 12/25/2022 12:54:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Alcohol in medieval times, medieval drinks, Wine, Beer, Ale, distillation in medieval times
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What did peasants eat in medieval times?
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Jason begins a journey through the social strata of the medieval age by taking a look at the kinds of food the knight might have experienced in his travels. He’s joined by food historian Chris Carr, who first demonstrates some of the dishes the knight might have eaten when staying at a humble roadside inn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVcey0Ng-w


4 posted on 12/25/2022 12:57:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The simple and obvious answer is, people were far more rugged and resilient back then. They had to be.
I remember as a child looking at my grandfather in awe. He was an old man. Obviously. But, his ability to easily handle harsh conditions. Manual labor. His attitude towards hard work under harsh conditions was amazing to me. My dad had many of those traits himself but, not to the degree my grandfather had.
It occurred to me, even as a boy, that we are getting much softer over the generations as we “progress” in providing ourselves through technology more and more comforts.
My grandfather was the catalyst for those thoughts. He simply amazed me with his rugged persona and his work ethic. He seemed almost like Superman to me in comparison to what I was used to seeing on a daily basis.


5 posted on 12/25/2022 1:04:38 AM PST by ocrp1982
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To: SunkenCiv

One of the types of jackets they used was called a gambeson. It is a jacket with a high collar and it went down as far as the ankles. It is a two layer jacket that you would stuff with insulating materials.

The materials used would depend on what you can afford and your station. A poor person might use a combination of feathers and hay and a wealthier person might be able to afford down.


6 posted on 12/25/2022 1:28:17 AM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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To: ocrp1982; SunkenCiv
People were more rugged and they were also smarter (because intelligence, like muscle, adapts to challenges).

Adapt or die.

Using this same logic, it might be said that, in facing their own challenges, wild animals are a lot smarter than, for example, today's college graduates. Smarter in their own way of course.

When parents put barriers between their children and life's challenges, they make them less adaptable--they prevent their children from learning from learning "adaptability."

The other day I heard someone say that most depression and sadness is due to boredom. A challenging life is a lot of things but it certainly isn't boring.

7 posted on 12/25/2022 1:34:41 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Real fur coats helped along with awesome fireplaces.


8 posted on 12/25/2022 2:06:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau
And imagine what it felt like to curl up--skin against skin-- with your mate under those furs near that big fire after a long day of hunting and all the hard chores that life required...belly full for once from a great meal.

Just think of the satisfaction of having been victorious over the harsh elements of nature for one more day.

A now for a good night's sleep...and a little baby-making.;-)

9 posted on 12/25/2022 2:24:41 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: ocrp1982

We found a diary of Grandpa’s at the farm a few years ago. It’s south of Buffalo with harsh winters. He was a farmer and would deliver milk and food to be sold in Buffalo and Rochester — by horse and buggy.

The trip is two hours by car now in perfect weather. He was gone for days at a time in blizzards.

I just wanted to cry reading about this and other trials they dealt with in the late 1800s and early 20th Century.

Mom and my brother’s family live in the farmhouse now, and winters still are a problem. -15 yesterday morning and they lost power. I was freaking out, but Mom, who’s 98, was in great spirits. She’s been through worse.


10 posted on 12/25/2022 3:21:44 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

A week ago we lost power for two days after 9.5 inches of wet snow.

I just through more wood on the fire.

Got out the kerosene lamps and went about the day.

City people have no idea.


11 posted on 12/25/2022 3:45:26 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: SunkenCiv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRvIB_0xrKY , for example.

You do what you have to do.

Not sure these old bones of mine could anymore.

Merry Christmas, Civ! I enjoy your work!


12 posted on 12/25/2022 4:08:24 AM PST by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

[Every winter was a test of survival in pre-industrial times in cold climates, but one winter lasted 3 years.]

Why 536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’

Glacier cores reveal Icelandic volcano that plunged Europe into darkness

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive

Ask medieval historian Michael McCormick what year was the worst to be alive, and he’s got an answer: “536.” Not 1349, when the Black Death wiped out half of Europe. Not 1918, when the flu killed 50 million to 100 million people, mostly young adults. But 536. In Europe, “It was the beginning of one of the worst periods to be alive, if not the worst year,” says McCormick, a historian and archaeologist who chairs the Harvard University Initiative for the Science of the Human Past.

A mysterious fog plunged Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia into darkness, day and night—for 18 months. “For the sun gave forth its light without brightness, like the moon, during the whole year,” wrote Byzantine historian Procopius. Temperatures in the summer of 536 fell 1.5°C to 2.5°C, initiating the coldest decade in the past 2300 years. Snow fell that summer in China; crops failed; people starved. The Irish chronicles record “a failure of bread from the years 536–539.” Then, in 541, bubonic plague struck the Roman port of Pelusium, in Egypt. What came to be called the Plague of Justinian spread rapidly, wiping out one-third to one-half of the population of the eastern Roman Empire and hastening its collapse, McCormick says.

Historians have long known that the middle of the sixth century was a dark hour in what used to be called the Dark Ages, but the source of the mysterious clouds has long been a puzzle. Now, an ultraprecise analysis of ice from a Swiss glacier by a team led by McCormick and glaciologist Paul Mayewski at the Climate Change Institute of The University of Maine (UM) in Orono has fingered a culprit.


13 posted on 12/25/2022 4:21:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Mystery Of 536 AD: The Worst Climate Disaster In History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUz5Vjq9-s&ab_channel=Timeline-WorldHistoryDocumentaries


14 posted on 12/25/2022 4:24:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Imagine the sun only as bright as the moon for a few years.

In ancient times, people struggled to store up food against famine, but AD 536 was the worst test ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUz5Vjq9-s&ab_channel=Timeline-WorldHistoryDocumentaries

536 AD - Worst Year in History


15 posted on 12/25/2022 4:28:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ocrp1982; SunkenCiv

Couple of things ....

Very fortunate to have ‘known’ both sets of my grandparents, all of whom had tough lives and who survived by working hard every day - the kids, my parents, had to pitch in as well - everyone worked for food & fuel - it was a matter of survival. My dad in particular had a more austere life on a farm in the Shenandoah Valley. We spent nights in the house as kids. There was ONE source of heat, a large coal stove down in what was a ‘family’ room next to the kitchen. It had a large table where the family gathered to eat, some chairs and an old couch. It was the one ‘warm’ room in the house & the farther you got from that stove, the cooler it was. Granddad had his rocker right in front of that stove.

When visiting, we slept upstairs in an unheated room. The bed was piled high with quilts. There was ice on the inside of the windows. When electricity finally came, there was a small electric heater that really didn’t take much of the chill out of the air and the bucket for use if you had to pee during the night was still cold as ice. I found out that if you put your clothes under the covers for a while, they warmed up & it was much more pleasant getting dressed for the dash downstairs to the coal stove to really warm up. As a boy, my dad slept in a small room that was above the family room - he would open the window and in the morning, sometimes snow would have drifted in.

My maternal grandparents had built a house when mom was a kid - the old house (that I never saw) had no modern source of heat, but the new one had an oil furnace in the basement. Hot air was blown up through a grate in the floor - the grate was in a hall between the kitchen and their bedroom downstairs. Granny also had an electric stove, but half of that stove was a ‘fire box’ - she could burn small pieces of wood, paper, etc. in it & that was a small source of heat in the kitchen. It was also great for warming up food.

There was another grate in the ceiling above the grate on the ground floor - the heat went straight up into the upstairs, but the only place it was really warm was to stand on that grate ... we kids loved to do that and get warm, before piling into bed with heaps of blankets so we could stay warm during the night.

I’ve done a lot of hiking in Shenandoah National Park. There are some cabin ruins still visible - those made out of chestnut logs have lasted a long time. What struck me, seeing these cabin ruins, is how very small the cabins were - basically one room with a stone chimney. When keeping warm is a struggle, the smaller the area you have to heat, the easier it is and with enough wood, I suspect they could stay fairly warm.


16 posted on 12/25/2022 4:59:11 AM PST by Qiviut (I'm not out of control, I'm just not in their control. $hot $hills: Sod Off)
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To: ocrp1982

There was a time, even within my own memory, when people knew how to take care of themselves. They did not rely on the government to feed them, clothe them, entertain them, house them, or even provide them with entertainment. When winter came they owned blankets, heavy layer clothing, and had a pantry of food put away. Humanity is regressing. Sit back, prop up your feet, and watch civilization collapse.


17 posted on 12/25/2022 5:15:48 AM PST by GingisK
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To: RoosterRedux

I once read a commentary about human resilience and boredom. One of the points the author made is that mental illness was pretty much non-existent in London when it was being bombed by the Germans in WW2.


18 posted on 12/25/2022 5:31:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: MayflowerMadam
A friend of mine lived in the Syracuse area during that epic ice storm across upstate New York and eastern Canada back in the late 1990s. Some areas were without power for weeks — during some very brutal cold stretches.

He said the oldest people in his area seemed to take it all in stride. And the ones who coped better than anyone else were the elderly folks who had no problem buying things at the few stores with generators — because they never bothered to use ATMs and had plenty of cash on hand.

19 posted on 12/25/2022 5:36:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: SunkenCiv

This was educational beyond belief and I truly enjoyed the list of ways that people were able to withstand winter during the middle ages. I wonder however,the degree of importance in the question, “How did they keep themselves entertained?” It would seem to me that “entertainment” is a relatively superfluous consideration when compared to life or death. Strange that social media has become “life or death” in importance in these final days. Man has reduced his reason for existing to the self-important drivel he feels compelled to write to complete strangers. Why?


20 posted on 12/25/2022 5:38:43 AM PST by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school. Written in 2015.)
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