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China says Genghis Khan catalyst for Renaissance
Turkish Daily News ^ | Saturday, July 22, 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 07/22/2006 12:51:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

"Genghis Khan introduced papermaking and printing technologies to Europe and pioneered cultural exchanges between Asia and Europe," it quoted Zhu Yaoting, a specialist on Mongolian history at Beijing Union University, as saying. "He brought cultural progress that helped liberate the Europeans from the bondage of theology -- in this sense, his expeditions served as a catalyst for the Renaissance," he said. Genghis Khan's expeditions to Europe also reopened the Silk Road and laid the path for Marco Polo's historic trip to China. "The expedition revived the ancient trade link and made economic and cultural exchanges possible again between the isolated civilizations," said Chen Yuning, a professor at Ningxia University.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: genghiskhan; genocide; godsgravesglyphs; mongolmassmurderers; revisionism

China says Genghis Khan catalyst for Renaissance

1 posted on 07/22/2006 12:51:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
One for the lovers of Marxist revisionism -- should make their heads explode.

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2 posted on 07/22/2006 12:53:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, mass murdering terrorism is always an impetus for art, science, and culture.

/sarcasm


3 posted on 07/22/2006 12:53:46 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: SunkenCiv

don't forget , he invented the telephone and the modern toaster.


4 posted on 07/22/2006 12:55:50 PM PDT by pipecorp (a muhammed portrait......8(_o_)8 .................nice likeness, eh?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah... and Hitler spurred our space program.


5 posted on 07/22/2006 12:59:05 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: SunkenCiv
"He brought cultural progress that helped liberate the Europeans from the bondage of theology -- in this sense, his expeditions served as a catalyst for the Renaissance,"

Maybe this regurgitator of the marxist line against religion ought to reflect that it is too bad a little bondage of Christianity and charity did not rub off on this mass murderer whose huge empire disintegrated after his death and left small legacy except perhaps where it was ultimately co-opted in China.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 12:59:25 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: pipecorp
"don't forget , he invented the telephone and the modern toaster."
Nah. It was AlGore.
7 posted on 07/22/2006 1:02:57 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

i thought he invented the internet and the manzier


8 posted on 07/22/2006 1:05:50 PM PDT by pipecorp (a muhammed portrait......8(_o_)8 .................nice likeness, eh?)
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To: pipecorp

he invented the stone ax, the wheel, bow and arrows, spear tip, flint and tinder fire ignition, indoor plumbing and toilet paper, zoos and circuses and god knows what else. And telephone is surely the part of the list.


9 posted on 07/22/2006 1:17:19 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

well that's why i didn't vote for him... all those murders caused by indiscriminate firestarting...it's his fault.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 1:25:29 PM PDT by pipecorp ( muhammed ......8(_o_)8 .................nice likeness, eh?)
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To: FormerACLUmember

LOL!

But now you've done it! The Genghis-worshippers will descend in a whirlwind of hooves...


11 posted on 07/22/2006 1:25:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

But didn't he have the ears of the people wherever he traveled?


12 posted on 07/22/2006 1:31:18 PM PDT by labette (Why couldn't I have been born rich instead of so darned handsome?)
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To: labette

[rimshot!]


13 posted on 07/22/2006 1:35:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
[rimshot!]

Okay
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14 posted on 07/22/2006 1:44:14 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: pipecorp
don't forget , he invented the telephone and the modern toaster.

Much more important for modern thinkers were the Pill and Viagra.

15 posted on 07/22/2006 2:15:13 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: nathanbedford

Didn't the mongolian nobles become assimlated?


16 posted on 07/22/2006 2:55:38 PM PDT by John Will
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To: nathanbedford
Actually, the Mongols practiced freedom of religion long before the West did. It was enshrined in the Yasa [Jasagh], Chinnghis Quan's Law Code, and enforced by the Mongol Army [although he wasn't real fond of Muslims].

The argument can be made that Chinnghis Quan and the Mongols are responsible for the European Age of Discovery.With the Pax Mongolica that lasted through the reign of four Qa Quans [Chinnghis, Ugeddai, Guyuk and Mongke], Europe had access to the Silk Road and all the goods of the East they desired, plus access to Eastern technology. And the entire Silk Road was secure and safe.

With the internal wars that developed after Mongke Qa Quan's death on campaign in China, on the one hand between his brother Hulegu's Il Khanate of Persia and the Golden Horde under Berke Quan; and the other between his other two brothers, Qublai and Arik Boka over the succession, that ready access was cut off, but not the desire for the goods Europeans had grown to require, and desire. The Age of Exploration was the result of that rupture.

By the bye, while Chinnghis, Uggedai, Guyuk and Mongke were pagans, Hulegu and Qublai were Buddhists, Berke was a Muslim, Hulegu's wife and one of Qublai's were Nestorian Christians. And Chinnghis' Empire , in areas, survived his death by three hundred years.
17 posted on 07/22/2006 3:25:50 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: labette

Where his army traveled. In potato sacks.


18 posted on 07/22/2006 3:26:36 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SunkenCiv

What happened in the 1200's was a catalyst of the Renaissance? Okaaaaay.


19 posted on 07/22/2006 3:39:58 PM PDT by Graymatter ("Put only Americans on guard tonight." -- George Washington)
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To: Fiddlstix

Thanks, I needed that.


20 posted on 07/22/2006 5:29:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Graymatter

Heh... and don't forget, Aristotle stole all his ideas from the Great Library of Alexandria...


21 posted on 07/22/2006 5:39:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I would say the Plague was more important as it virtually destroyed the Feudal System.


22 posted on 07/22/2006 10:40:11 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: Mike Darancette

The plague may haver gotten to Europe as the result of Mongol catapaults used in an attack against a Genoese trading city in the Crimea. [The Mongols had a secret alliance going back to the 1220s with the Venetians].


23 posted on 07/23/2006 1:16:33 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr
The plague may haver gotten to Europe as the result of Mongol catapaults used in an attack against a Genoese trading city in the Crimea.

For sure the plague originated in Asia.

24 posted on 07/23/2006 2:42:37 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Actually, I think that was pretty much the way business was done in that era...


25 posted on 07/24/2006 5:09:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: nathanbedford

I didn't read the whole article and I have no idea what kind of blather this Commie had to say about Genghis Khan.

As a matter of fact, the great Khan was extremely tolerant in the field of theology. Clergymen of various faiths were welcomed in his camp although he was an Animist personally.

He did develope a healthy hatred for Muslims after some of them had the stupidity to nail a couple of his emissaries to the wall of their city.

Genghis' response is one the west should probably consider emulating.

There were no further incidents in his lifetime from the Muslims against Mongol emissaries.

A good lesson taught reaps benefits for the future.


26 posted on 07/24/2006 8:51:11 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: pipecorp

If Genghis ran for President he'd get my vote.

As a war leader he had no equal.


27 posted on 07/24/2006 8:52:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm one of them, thank you. Perhaps you should read of his exploits. They might surprise you.

Some of his descendents actually proposed an alliance with the western Christians against Islam.

We should have taken them up on it.


28 posted on 07/24/2006 8:53:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: PzLdr

Not for nothing was he called Genghis Khan.

I like your post and totally concur.

He was a great man.


29 posted on 07/24/2006 8:55:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Translation...

White folk have never had an original thought in thier life.


30 posted on 07/24/2006 8:56:33 AM PDT by socal_parrot (Trying to reason with wildfire season.)
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To: ZULU

I have.


31 posted on 07/24/2006 9:27:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ZULU

Actually, he did. The greatest General in history: Subodai Bahadur.


32 posted on 07/24/2006 12:36:24 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

I think Subodai was a great general also, but why do you think Subodai was greater than Genghis?

Can the apprentice be greater than the master?


33 posted on 07/24/2006 12:56:12 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
If you study Temujin's campaigns in North China, and during the period he unified the tribes before that, they're pretty straight up, strategically. True, he attacked the Jin by attacking from the West, after conquering Hsia Hsia, but he tended to keep the Army under his control.

With Khwaresm, all that changed. the Mongols attacked in multiple columns from several different directions; culminating in Chinnghis' column, with which Subodai rode as a sort of Chief of Staff, appearing in the rear of the entire Khwaresm Army. That plan had Subodai's fingerprints all over it.So does the pursuit of the Khwaresm Shah, and Mongol operations in the Caucasus and southern Kievan Russia culminating in the battle of the Khalka River in 1223. He may have learned some of that from Jebe Noyon, with whom he had been partnered since at least the Chin casmpaign, but none of it had appeared in Chinnghis' earlier campaigns.

Consider the final phase of the Mongol invasion of the West, which began in 1236, and ended with the withdrawal of 1242. Subodal attacked Eastern Europe with four columns on a front of at least five hundred [probably more] miles. Two had to cross the Carpathians in winter, attacking fortifications as they went. One column of two TUMENS attacked the entire area of Poland. The fourth stormed through the Balkans. Three of the four rendezvoused, as per the plan near Buda and Pest by the date specified. The fourth column was less than a week late. After a feigned retreat, the Mongols destroyed 70% of the Hungarian Army pursuing them [Mohi], using detached columns to do so. They had already destroyed the military capability of Poland, and forced Bohemia out of the fight. By the following Spring [1242], Subodai had taken Buda, Pest and the rest of Hungary, were raiding Vienna, and had a column working its way into northeastern Italy. Another column was pursuing Bela IV down the eastern coast of the Adriatic.I consider it history's greatest campaign.

Chinnghis Quan created the Army Subodai [and others] put to such good use. He organized it, equipped it, and gave it purpose. He used it to create the Mongol state. He was a good commander. But he was no Subodai.
34 posted on 07/24/2006 3:36:59 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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