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'Cosmos' 2nd episode: Neil deGrasse Tyson condescends toward doubters of evolution
March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by EveningStar

Last night, I watched the second episode of "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" (the reboot of the 1980 series). It was entitled, "Some of the Things That Molecules Do."

One of the things Tyson dealt with in this episode was evolution.

Now, I myself do subscribe to the theory of evolution, but I found Tyson's treatment to be offensive, condescending, and smarmy.

I thought it was an in-your-face chip-on-the-shoulder response against skeptics of evolution.

I thought this was supposed to be a science show, not a political show.

But this is just my opinion. What is your opinion?

If you missed the episode and wish to see it, it will replay on the National Geographic Channel. You can also watch it online at Fox and Hulu.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; Religion; Science; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: carlsagan; cosmos; cosmosreboot; creationism; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; neildegrassetyson; ursulathevk; zot
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1 posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Who thought this was going to be about science and not politics? I don’t think they are capable of that any longer


2 posted on 03/17/2014 11:19:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: EveningStar
I found Tyson's treatment to be offensive, condescending, and smarmy.

Those three words describe Tyson to a "T".

I didn't bother with Ep. 2 and won't see any of the others. A waste of time, really.

3 posted on 03/17/2014 11:21:59 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need ot use the sarcasm tag?)
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To: EveningStar

Its tied to Seth MacFarlane who despises Christians. What did you expect?


4 posted on 03/17/2014 11:22:13 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: GeronL

Wont watch it!Plain and simple.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 11:22:42 AM PDT by spincaster (Spincaster)
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To: GeronL

I had hoped it would be about science and not politics, but the first two episodes have proved me wrong. :(

I will continue to watch, though.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 11:22:56 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
...I found Tyson's treatment to be offensive, condescending, and smarmy.

That's because it's all they've got if you don't share their assumptions.

7 posted on 03/17/2014 11:24:04 AM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: Viennacon

Well, then, there’s the answer. Normally I like to watch NdGT.

I’ll go with God. He has a better record of how things work. Perfect, one might say.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 11:24:30 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: EveningStar

Tried to watch EP.01, drifted off to sleep. Heard some rumblings about this episode deriding others for not thinking the way the series does. Guess I’ll be skipping the rest of this already washed up series. (IMO as well, Through the Wormhole’s choo-choo has gone around the bend; un-watchable.)


9 posted on 03/17/2014 11:25:25 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: EveningStar

:: It was entitled, “Some of the Things That Molecules Do.” ::

Interesting, by the title.

As a chemist (away from the rarefied air of therotical physics for some time), I must ask, can molecules “evolve”? I know they can decay and, even subsequently return to their natural state but, can Lead (Pb) become Gold (Au)?


10 posted on 03/17/2014 11:26:41 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: EveningStar
Probably won't be watching anymore, noticed he threw in a little plug in for global warming to boot.

Really thought the series would be cutting edge discoveries and new speculations, it dang sure isn't that.
Just a rehash of older stuff, Sagan did it better.

11 posted on 03/17/2014 11:29:03 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: EveningStar

I’m totally fine with the condescension over Evolution.

At least he is using actual facts to make his case. Dog breeding is an excellent example of the power of genetic selection to “evolve” a species.

My beef is the condescension over CO2 caused “catastophic” global warming that is gut churning.

There are no actual facts to support this, only 30 years of hyped BS and fudged numbers. ANY questions and you are labled an unscientific DENIER!.

It’s just short of labeling someone a “Witch” if they don’t think CO2 will cause the world to end in the next 100 years.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 11:31:27 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: EveningStar

I think there is room for both...

I think that evolution creeps along over time. I just think there was some intelligent design in creating humans.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 11:31:52 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
...I know they can decay and, even subsequently return to their natural state...

Funny that: how things fall apart easier than they go together...

14 posted on 03/17/2014 11:32:03 AM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: F15Eagle

Perfect? Please explain to me how cancer is perfection.


15 posted on 03/17/2014 11:32:40 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I’ve got this one tivo’d to check out.
Always have a soft spot for basic chemistry.


16 posted on 03/17/2014 11:32:41 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: UNGN
Dog breeding is an excellent example of the power of genetic selection to “evolve” a species.

Then you don't understand what evolution claims.

17 posted on 03/17/2014 11:34:06 AM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: EveningStar
Not interested. Watch The Privileged Planet instead.
18 posted on 03/17/2014 11:34:31 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: EveningStar
I thought this was supposed to be a science show, not a political show.

Let me tell you something now so you can avoid heartbreak and confusion in the future:

ALL TV IS POLITICIZED NOW. All of it - from sitcoms to the evening news. It is ALL propaganda. Movies too. The gatekeepers in Hollywood won't allow any dissenting thoughts.
19 posted on 03/17/2014 11:35:15 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: UNGN
As I said, I do subscribe to the theory of evolution. However, I believe that presenting it in a condescending way on a science show is out of place and counter-productive.
20 posted on 03/17/2014 11:35:38 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Tyson is the “Obama” of science. That is to say he is a mediocre astronomer/scientist with no real discoveries to his credit, but because of his decent speaking ability and polished TV persona (not to mention shameless self-promotion),he has been turned into a “science superstar” by a liberal media desiourous of having a minority Carl Sagan.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 11:36:04 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Vermont Lt

~~~Perfect? Please explain to me how cancer is perfection.~~~

Well, first you have to understand what happened in the Garden of Eden. And BTW, I lost my mother to cancer.


22 posted on 03/17/2014 11:36:49 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: apillar

I disagree completely with your comment.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 11:37:03 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Pretty clear with the “Wild wolf to domestic dog” meme, they sought to conflate adaptation WITHIN a species, with Evolution from one species to another.


24 posted on 03/17/2014 11:37:12 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: UNGN

Well, when you can ‘breed’ one that will fly, let me know.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 11:37:45 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: EveningStar

This looks almost like it’s sidling up on some kind of philosophy of distributed consciousness and purpose without actually saying so — a cosmos-is-God worldview.

People who have studied live species know they are much more likely to respond to environmental pressure by approaching extinction than by evolving. Live observations of evolution of a new species are few if any. The best we can see is the way that microbes acquire new characteristics to weather man’s attempts to battle them with antibiotics, and yet we don’t see a staph germ turning into something that isn’t a staph germ.

All this is well known. Ultimately these people are busy dodging God. Classic preachers would warn them of hell, but it becomes obvious that they are crafting their own hells on earth even before leaving it. Because with ignoring God comes the rejection of the benefits of the personal favor of God, the benefits of truth, reason, love, longsuffering, hope, patience, etc.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 11:38:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: papertyger

yep


27 posted on 03/17/2014 11:38:32 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: UNGN

And who did that... not the dogs. The people!


28 posted on 03/17/2014 11:39:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I think that evolution creeps along over time. I just think there was some intelligent design in creating humans.

I think evolution is God's tool/equipment. My wife uses an oven to create cup cakes. God uses evolution for his creation. I wonder when the timer will go off in this petri dish.

29 posted on 03/17/2014 11:40:24 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: spincaster

Bump

I watch very little TV and this did not even budge my interest meter even though I like science and sci-fi

I just knew somehow it would be craftacular


30 posted on 03/17/2014 11:41:01 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: spincaster

Bump

I watch very little TV and this did not even budge my interest meter even though I like science and sci-fi

I just knew somehow it would be craptacular


31 posted on 03/17/2014 11:41:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Tenacious 1

A combination of frank miracle and natural process is going on in this mortal coil.

A narrow field of study (like the physical sciences as we know them) will never be able to tell you about what goes on beyond its boundaries.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 11:42:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: F15Eagle
Well, when you can ‘breed’ one that will fly, let me know.

LOL

Here is my plan for that. We'll force evolution to introduce flying dogs. For the next 1,000 years we breed dogs in abundance and throw them from the roof of a 5 story building as fast as they mature. Eventually, they will learn to fly or become extinct. Right?

34 posted on 03/17/2014 11:44:00 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: EveningStar

I watched the first twenty minutes of the first episode. I could not finish, I was getting ill. Offensive, condescending, and smarmy would have been a huge improvement. It was stoopid, confusing, unfocused, hokey, superficial, transcendently glib, juvenilely simplistic, inane and disappointing. I WAITED FORTY YEARS FOR THIS POS!!!!! We have learned SO MUCH MORE about the Cosmos in the last forty years, communications technology and media have advanced so far, and all we get is this stale dog vomit.

A total, complete and utter failure, a disgrace.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 11:45:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: G Larry
Pretty clear with the “Wild wolf to domestic dog” meme, they sought to conflate adaptation WITHIN a species, with Evolution from one species to another.

Has anyone ever managed to breed a dog that can't successfully mate with other dogs?

36 posted on 03/17/2014 11:45:31 AM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: Tenacious 1

heh


37 posted on 03/17/2014 11:46:05 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: EveningStar

We watched it last week and found it insulting so we decided to skip watching the show.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 11:46:49 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: waterhill

Waterhill,

I see a ZOT in your future. What gives?


39 posted on 03/17/2014 11:47:08 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: waterhill

I think someone is Zoticidal. Yikes.


40 posted on 03/17/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Tenacious 1

“For the next 1,000 years we breed dogs in abundance and throw them from the roof of a 5 story building as fast as they mature. Eventually, they will learn to fly or become extinct. Right?”

Or maybe we’ll just have to settle for a Shi-Tzu with an acceptable glide ratio? A “flying squirrel” like pooch?


41 posted on 03/17/2014 11:49:50 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tenacious 1

Well, I think he’s already anticipating that.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 11:50:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Tenacious 1

am I still here? crap!


43 posted on 03/17/2014 11:50:16 AM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Here is my plan for that. We'll force evolution to introduce flying dogs. For the next 1,000 years we breed dogs in abundance and throw them from the roof of a 5 story building as fast as they mature. Eventually, they will learn to fly or become extinct. Right?

Isn't that how we got cats? ;-)

44 posted on 03/17/2014 11:50:32 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: EveningStar

Saw a plug for this show from Obama. Nuff said.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 11:50:36 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: The Cajun
Can the current generation manage to produce one original, unique thought?

Old comic books, old movies and now an old science series.

46 posted on 03/17/2014 11:51:21 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Tenacious 1

Kind of crude, and that is wrong. But yeah, Tyson got picked as “dumb token.” These leftists are NOT compassionate... they play the compassionate impulse like any Machiavellian.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 11:51:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GeronL

When I hear it was going to be Tyson, I knew this was likely to be “must-miss TV.” I’ve had him pegged as a racist for years.


48 posted on 03/17/2014 11:51:36 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: waterhill

There’s little doubt in my mind O was chosen by a stupid nation soaked in hip-hop rap thought. Pathetically-sad and stupendously-stupid thought in action.


49 posted on 03/17/2014 11:52:50 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Another sanctimonious racist.


50 posted on 03/17/2014 11:53:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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