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DNA Captured From 2,500-Year-Old Phoenician
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Posted on 05/28/2016 10:34:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin
This is the first ancient DNA to be obtained from Phoenician remains.
Known as Ariche, the young man came from Byrsa, a walled citadel above the harbor of ancient Carthage. Byrsa was attacked by the Roman general Scipio Aemilianus Africanus in the Third Punic War. It was destroyed by Rome in 146 B.C.
Analysis of the skeleton revealed the man died between the age of 19 and 24, had a rather robust physique and was 1.7 meters (56″) tall. He may have belonged to the Carthaginian elite, as he was buried with gems, scarabs, amulets and other artifacts.
Now genetic research carried out by a team co-led by Lisa Matisoo-Smith at New Zealands University of Otago has shown the man belonged to a rare European haplogroup known as U5b2cl that likely links his maternal ancestry to the North Mediterranean coast, probably on the Iberian Peninsula.
Published in the journal PLOS ONE, the findings provide the earliest evidence of the European mitochondrial haplogroup U5b2cl in North Africa, dating its arrival to at least the late sixth century BC.
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To: Ancesthntr
I love how the MSM these day writes heads. It’s laughable.
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posted on
05/28/2016 12:05:32 PM PDT
by
SkyDancer
("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
To: Moonman62
“Will there be a Phoenician Park?”
Well, the Phoenicians were among the Sea People of the Biblical era... like the Philistines. The Paleoswinians are, for all of the “positives” that they bring to the modern world, the equivalent of the Philistines. So, Gaza is Phoenician Park. I don’t think that there will be many tickets sold.
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posted on
05/28/2016 12:18:33 PM PDT
by
Ancesthntr
("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
To: Olog-hai
Well, if they could somehow determine if he got shot in the ass on the way out of a whorehouse during “The Big One” then you’ve got your man. :>)
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posted on
05/28/2016 12:21:40 PM PDT
by
Ancesthntr
("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
To: Larry Lucido
I thought Ariche was this guy.
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posted on
05/28/2016 12:44:03 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
To: georgiegirl
Eric?
We really need to know how they pronounced Ariche 2500 years ago. Archie, a Richie, or Eric?
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posted on
05/28/2016 12:55:52 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
To: BenLurkin
"Despite the significant impact of their culture on Western civilization they introduced the first alphabetic writing system the Phoenicians faded from history after being defeated in a series of wars with Rome. They then remained somewhat elusive."
"Blah blah blah. `Elusive'? We PWNED those wascally wabbits." Biggus Diccus
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posted on
05/28/2016 2:53:55 PM PDT
by
tumblindice
(America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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posted on
05/28/2016 2:59:32 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
To: BenLurkin; martin_fierro; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...
Thanks BenLurkin.
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posted on
05/28/2016 3:00:20 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
To: BenLurkin
Interesting, my grandmother always claimed we were special.
Interestingly, our analysis showed that Ariches mitochondrial genetic makeup most closely matches that of the sequence of a particular modern-day individual from Portugal, she added.
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posted on
05/28/2016 3:21:15 PM PDT
by
Duchess47
("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
To: SunkenCiv
Is there any evidence that the Phoenicians were originally from Iberia (Spain)?
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posted on
05/28/2016 3:21:28 PM PDT
by
ameribbean expat
(When the going gets weird, the weird go professional.)
To: DCBryan1
Yeah, he just spoiled my dinner. They checked HER DNA and found out she was related to Medusa.
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posted on
05/28/2016 3:24:51 PM PDT
by
ZULU
(DON'T GO OFF THE RESERVATION.)
To: AdmSmith; agrace; AnalogReigns; Cacique; caryatid; Celtjew Libertarian; CobaltBlue; ...
Known as Ariche, the young man came from Byrsa
"The problem wit' dem Carthagians wuz that they couldn't stifle themselves!"
To: ameribbean expat
Nope, none. The Semitic Phoenicians came from the general area of the eastern Med and/or Middle East, and there's some speculation (which I believe dates to ancient times) that they originally lived south of the Sinai.
In Iberia there was a so-called Tartessian culture, apparently prehistoric (iow, no writing, or none that has survived), that antedates Carthaginian colonization, the latter of which was pretty rapid. The Celtiberians were also a drift that made up pre-Roman Iberia.
Also, contrary to the usual claims, there's little evidence that the Basques were there until late antiquity or early middle ages, and a language isolate arriving after the breakdown of the Roman Empire in the west does make the most sense.
The Tyrians (Phoenicians of Tyre) were the settlers of Carthage. The earliest date that has been established for the settlement of Carthage is 8th c BC.
The former Portugeuse holding of Mogador, on the western coast of Africa, is one of the settlements described in the Periplus of Hanno, which describes a voyage and colonization from Carthage, outside the Pillars of Hercules, and a bit deeper to the south than the clearly described active volcano now known as Mount Cameroon. Phoenician pottery frags of the 7th c BC (at least one with the personal name "Mago" on it) have been excavated there.
Herodotus describes the Phoenician circumnavigation of Africa starting from the Red Sea, and contracted by an Egyptian pharaoh.
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posted on
05/28/2016 4:44:28 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
To: BenLurkin
DNA Captured From 2,500-Year-Old Phoenician... ...after a high speed chase on L.A. Freeways.
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posted on
05/28/2016 5:08:50 PM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(My tagline is in the shop.)
To: BenLurkin
Jennifer Grey’s long-lost ancestor....
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posted on
05/29/2016 1:06:03 AM PDT
by
Hetty_Fauxvert
(I'm in California. Doesn't matter what I think....)
To: Olog-hai
To: BenLurkin
To: SunkenCiv
Thanks. Had not heard of the Tartessian culture before.
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posted on
05/29/2016 1:17:41 PM PDT
by
ameribbean expat
(When the going gets weird, the weird go professional.)
To: ameribbean expat
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posted on
05/29/2016 1:45:41 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
To: BenLurkin
Handsome fella. If he were a she, Bill Clinton might have wanted to date him.
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