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Humans and Neandertals likely interbred in Middle East
Science ^ | 28 January 2015 | Michael Balter

Posted on 01/29/2015 1:26:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The discovery of a 55,000-year-old partial skull of a modern human in an Israeli cave, the first sighting of Homo sapiens in this time and place, offers skeletal evidence to support the idea that Neandertals and moderns mated in the Middle East between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago. What's more, the skull could belong to an ancestor of the modern humans who later swept across Europe and Asia and replaced the Neandertals.

The find supports a raft of recent genetic studies. A 2010 analysis, for example, found that up to 2% of the genomes of today's Europeans and Asians consist of Neandertal DNA, a clear sign of at least limited interbreeding in the past. Two years later, scientists compared ancient DNA extracted from Neandertal fossils to that of contemporary modern human populations around the world, concluding that this interbreeding took place in the Middle East, most likely between 47,000 and 65,000 years ago. And last year, a 45,000-year-old modern human found in Siberia, the oldest modern to have its genome sequenced, was revealed to have harbored a little more than 2% Neandertal DNA, allowing researchers to refine the interbreeding event to roughly 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.

From the Neandertal side, this time and place make sense. That's because numerous skeletons dated to that time period have been found in caves in Israel and other parts of the Middle East over the years, and Neandertals were still living in the region as late as 49,000 years ago. Yet the other side of this mating partnership has been conspicuously absent from the fossil record of the Middle East: Although modern humans from Africa appear to have ventured into some of these same caves as early as 120,000 years ago, none have been found after about 80,000 years.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; letshavejerusalem; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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To: trisham

Better than some of the ghetto rats we see.


41 posted on 01/29/2015 2:25:56 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

You got that right!


42 posted on 01/29/2015 2:30:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: outofsalt

I’m of Irish and German ancestry, so this subject is of interest to me. I’d love to be related to the Neanderthals. It would explain my German Grandfather’s colouring. :)


43 posted on 01/29/2015 2:34:07 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 353FMG
“No, Reid is directly related to Neandertals”

OK, I'll go with that. Sounds better!!!!

:-)

44 posted on 01/29/2015 2:43:50 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Neandertal? What the H?

Us proud Neanderthal descendants want our H back.

45 posted on 01/29/2015 2:48:41 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv
Neandertal? What the H?

Us proud Neanderthal descendants want our H back.

46 posted on 01/29/2015 2:48:41 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

Neandertals were smart enough to disguise themselves as goats?


47 posted on 01/29/2015 2:52:14 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: frithguild

Well they say modern humans came out of Africa...compared to the majority of white women I have noticed otherwise normal-looking black men paired with, I’d say she’s a looker!


48 posted on 01/29/2015 3:07:11 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Oh, this is way over my head! But I do know that this story has been debunked.

On one hand you don't know. On the other you do know. Wow.

49 posted on 01/29/2015 3:12:03 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Oh, go away! As if this kind of stuff was new to Free Republic.


50 posted on 01/29/2015 3:14:41 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: SunkenCiv

IOW, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I did not find the post by IOW but most of these stories do seem credible after frauds like Nebraska Man, Peking Man, Java Man and the like. I think Neanderthal mating with modern man is a fantastic. These writers say a lot of things I think to sell their papers or to get grant monies but there is no hard evidence nor peer review.

Just the facts mam like Sargent Friday used to say.


51 posted on 01/29/2015 4:02:32 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: DaveA37

I was think the same things the first Muslims...


52 posted on 01/29/2015 4:19:47 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Genoa

They aren’t? What happens if she brought to the mom ‘Good Cavekeeping’ magazine.


53 posted on 01/29/2015 4:26:13 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Farmer Dean

True...


54 posted on 01/29/2015 4:27:51 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: frithguild

Well, if Laz would hit Lena Dunham, he’d probably hit that... twice.


55 posted on 01/29/2015 5:01:35 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: frithguild

I think I know her!


56 posted on 01/29/2015 5:04:55 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Pearls Before Swine
It could be hit, especially if she were the last woman on Earth.

Or the first...

57 posted on 01/29/2015 7:27:32 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: Verginius Rufus

German doesn’t have the ‘th’ sound, so spelling it Neandertal gets English speakers to properly pronounce it.


58 posted on 01/29/2015 7:30:06 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: frithguild

In the Land of Nod, East of Eden, she was probably a fox. Now you know why Cain ran in that direction after God pronounced sentence for killing his brother.


59 posted on 01/29/2015 7:45:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: mountainlion; SunkenCiv; miss marmelstein
mountainlion: "I did not find the post by IOW but most of these stories do seem credible after frauds like Nebraska Man, Peking Man, Java Man and the like.
I think Neanderthal mating with modern man is a fantastic."

Nebraska Man was a simple mistake, published 92 years ago, corrected 87 years ago.
Nothing like it has happened since.

Peking Man and Java Man are both today considered valid examples of homo erectus from roughly a million years ago.
Other similar fossils have been found from the same time period in widely scattered locations.

Evidence from mtDNA suggests that human and Neanderthal common ancestors lived circa 750,000 years ago, a time which corresponds to homo antecessor fossils.
But nuclear DNA also suggests a small amount of interbreeding between humans & Neanderthals, in the range of 50,000 years ago in the Middle East.

As for that German scientist convicted of faking some of his report data -- that was one man, years ago, in a field where at least hundreds work every day to discover and interpret data about our evolutionary past.
So his errors are not included in today's understandings, and should not be used to discredit the entire enterprise.

60 posted on 01/30/2015 5:15:57 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective.)
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