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Police Detective Puts the Tulsa Incident In Perspective
Law Officer ^ | 9/23/2016 | Chelsea Whitaker

Posted on 09/24/2016 8:30:38 PM PDT by T-Bird45

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This extensive article brings some "cop flavor" for a perspective on this OIS. The analysis is solid and gives the reader an opportunity to weigh the information provided to get deeper than anything in the MSM.

I know it's a long read and I've done some editing to make it more readable, I hope. It's almost a "stream of consciousness" piece or recorded from random verbalization so it really could not be edited or structured.

1 posted on 09/24/2016 8:30:38 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

Buzzed to the gills on PCP and quite erratic, but for that very reason one would not expect a “car trouble” scenario to play out like it would with someone in his right senses.

I see a lot of pointless theorizing just starting this thing off, and I don’t feel encouraged that it would improve.

A tragedy of errors for more than one party.


2 posted on 09/24/2016 8:34:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think when she was that big Negro male on PCP she just got “ Buck” fever.


3 posted on 09/24/2016 8:38:51 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary wanted a circus by using Cuban. She got one!!)
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To: WENDLE

I am not 100% positive. Maybe they didn’t know this was someone with drug problems, one of the privacy issues raised with the wants-and-warrants. They know he’s wanted for some legal process, they don’t know what other demons are likely to be driving him.

Maybe she shot too soon; maybe the others tazed too late. Hands up don’t shoot, fine... but that doesn’t have to be hands up don’t taze when the person accosted is believed to be erratic.


4 posted on 09/24/2016 8:45:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: T-Bird45

On Larry Elder’s radio show last night; he said in 2015, 965 people were killed by the police, the majority were white.

So, in other words, one has more of a chance to be struck by lightning than be killed by the police.

Hope that’s not off-topic, sort of related.


5 posted on 09/24/2016 8:45:36 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: T-Bird45

I feel sorry for the cop but hopefully a full investigation will find the truth.


6 posted on 09/24/2016 8:45:57 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: T-Bird45

“..................We don’t know what crazy things he may have said to her to make her feel like there might be a weapon in his vehicle............”

Had he gotten to the car it most likely was the intended weapon if none other was found.


7 posted on 09/24/2016 8:46:15 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (America IS sick, and tired of the Clintons. It's time to say goodbye.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would like to add that women have no place in the active police force. They are worthless and dangerous. Here is why. They are little and weak!! Got it now? And the military female is a total joke. At least as a “police woman” they can write occasional traffic ticket for a compliant citizen. Let me back this down humanely for what a wahhabi sect sunni sponsored yt Saudi Arabia will do to her. Suffice it to say she will die horribly and who ever she was suppose to protect has throat cut real bad.


8 posted on 09/24/2016 8:46:22 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary wanted a circus by using Cuban. She got one!!)
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To: WENDLE

I tend to think that is inimical to a cooler head scenario.

She’s likely to skate as far as any criminal prosecution, but ought to consider a different career. Why doesn’t a police team even have a way to talk with one another to head off uncoordination when faced with a non standard scenario. Like “Betty, hold your fire — I’m tazing!”


9 posted on 09/24/2016 8:50:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: T-Bird45

Reasonable people do not need a long detailed dissertation, and unreasonable people will continue to blame cops or others for everything wrong in society.

Very simply: someone acts suspiciously, does not follow orders, makes threatening gestures toward officers trained to discern those actions. The threatening person gets shot, an action of self-defense by the officer (regardless of whether the person was actually armed or not).

Benefit of doubt must go to officer or the criminals control the agenda. Yes, there are wrongful shootings, and they are extremely rare. All these matters should be settled by the police department, not citizen groups, protesters, government commissions, human rights councils, etc.


10 posted on 09/24/2016 8:53:23 PM PDT by opus1
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It was “Buck” fever. I saw it with deer hunters all the time. They get so nervous they squeeze the trigger unwittingly. That is why she is charged with negligent manslaughter, : SHE DIDN’T MEAN TO’. She wishes now that she ad got properly married and had babies and cooked a cleaned for her hard working husband, always in his corner supporting him 100%. BUT NO!! She want to be a POLICE woman. Be careful what you wish for Honey. Enjoy your new life as a loving wife.


11 posted on 09/24/2016 8:53:33 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary wanted a circus by using Cuban. She got one!!)
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To: WENDLE

Yeah, right ... smh


12 posted on 09/24/2016 8:57:07 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, is summary. Women are no damned good as law officers dealing with drugged up 280 lb neanderthals! They have no chances, That is what happened here, She panicked ( peed in panties) and shot the drugged up ,PCP, freak out of stark fear. Get women back in aptitudes they can handle and get them out of the male business. This is one of thousand of examples covered up by PC. She is history.


13 posted on 09/24/2016 9:01:28 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary wanted a circus by using Cuban. She got one!!)
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To: WENDLE

I’m not going to agree with you that “women” don’t have any place on the force. I am going to agree that they should not be out in the front line on the street for the reasons you state

I think the writer of this book more or less makes your point for you.


14 posted on 09/24/2016 9:07:02 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: T-Bird45

to add a bit:
The car was actively driven into oncoming traffic. Then abandoned with the ‘it’s on fire, it’s going to blow’ screams. The deceased was supposed to be at his first day of ‘music appreciation’ at the local jr. college - he never made it.
The officer did not see Crutcher - he walked up silently behind her. We don’t know if she was back at her cruiser or at his vehicle, but...
From the very first frames of the chopper cam: officer is behind her vehicle at passenger rear quarter panel; deceased is at front quarter panel same side. How’d she get behind her vehicle? Was the deceased wandering? It takes her 10 seconds to get to front grill, where she momentarily takes a defensive stance, leaning against the car. Second and third units arrive. Deceased notices and quickens his pace - it take him 6 seconds to go from the front side of the cruiser to the left rear panel of his vehicle - about a vehicle and a half distance.

Sister stated last night on tv that ‘one thing people don’t know about my brother’ is that he has a glass eye AND a ‘hearing problem.’ Was he ‘glowering’ because he only had one eye? And if he only had one eye, why was he driving in the first place? Who in his family trusted a drug felon to go to college the first day unaccompanied? Pretty stressful for someone fresh out of a 10yr lockup. Not to mention how freely drugs flow on college campuses.

Let’s get into his drug-addled head: Promises his family he will go straight and narrow. Can’t take the pressure. Gets high in a very public way - no hiding it. Girl cop is not going to let him go. He’s going back to jail and his kids are going to write him off for good. He’s got nothing to lose but he doesn’t want a girl to shoot him so he waits for the male cops to show. Suicide by cop and his kids get rich. He dies a hero instead of a loser. Family gets a three-figure gofundme prize.

The girl cop shot him, but the person who killed him is the person who sold him the PCP. And the accessory is the family member who gave a half-blind and deaf man a vehicle to drive.


15 posted on 09/24/2016 9:09:03 PM PDT by blueplum ((March 11, 2016 - the day the First Amendment died?))
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To: rockinqsranch

That’s a good point too. As many cops have found, a vehicle is a weapon that could be used against them.


16 posted on 09/24/2016 9:10:12 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

even been at a red light and the green arrow comes on for the lane to our right and your foot automatically goes on the gas pedal?.....perhaps she heard the tazor and her first impulse was to fire....


17 posted on 09/24/2016 9:11:55 PM PDT by cherry
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought short of a head shot, bullets won’t bring down someone on PCP unless you unloaded the whole gun. He would still be charging at her.


18 posted on 09/24/2016 9:17:08 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: blueplum

“The officer did not see Crutcher - he walked up silently behind her. We don’t know if she was back at her cruiser or at his vehicle, but...”

Two hours of “back that azz up” and a certificate. He would have been set for life.


19 posted on 09/24/2016 9:24:40 PM PDT by jessduntno (The mind of a liberal...deceit, desire for control, greed, contradiction and fueled by hate.)
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To: T-Bird45

Too much information.

The histrionics do not trump the eye witness video.

The victim was tasered while standing, not charging.

The victim reacted to being tasered and was subsequently shot dead for doing so.

Obviously the cops were already on tilt and visibly very tense, for a reason.

What ever the verbal exchanges may have been and no matter what “commands” may have been ignored, the victim is seen as no physical threat and slow moving right up to the taser shot.

The cops simply didn’t want any altercation with him, so they tasered him.

He couldn’t or wouldn’t hold his hands on the car. He got tasered for dropping them apparently.

I wonder to what extent he could comprehend instructions, or judge time for compliance.

He looked tired, slow and unimpressed with who they were or what was going on.

Cop girl goofed and officers with her thought so, too.


20 posted on 09/24/2016 9:26:32 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education is the farm team for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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