1177 BCE, the year a perfect storm destroyed civilization

Haaretz ^ | April 13, 2015 | Julia Fridman

[2ndDivisionVet]

Sometime after 1200 BCE, civilization collapsed, and a dark age prevailed.

The Late Bronze Age collapse of societies throughout the Levant, the Near East and the Mediterranean some 3,200 years ago has been a mystery. Powerful, advanced civilizations disappeared, seemingly overnight. Now an archaeologist believes he has figured out what lay behind the cataclysm.

The trigger seems to have been the invasion of ancient Egypt in 1177 BCE by marauding peoples known simply as the “Sea Peoples,” as recorded in the Medinet Habu wall relief at Ramses III' tomb. The relief depicts a sea battle (and also carts full of supplies, women and children, something that always puzzled researchers. Why would the women and children have been at a sea battle, and why were there chariots? Did they bring them on ships as well?) The foreigners were depicted wearing distinct head gear....

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Fred Nerks, and good to hear from you!

First Person: Should Israel Return the Tablets of the Law to Egypt? [ hypothetically ] #20:In the sixties of the last century, in el-Arish, a town on the border between Egypt and Palestine, the attention of a traveler was attracted to a shrine (naos) of black granite inscribed with hieroglyphics over all its surfaces. It was used by the Arabs of the locality as a cattle trough... Sometime during the [20th] century the stone was brought to the Museum of Ismailia and a new attempt to translate the text was undertaken... The march of the pharaoh with his hosts is related amidst the description of the great upheaval in the residence and the tempest that made the land dark. He arrived at a place designated by name: ...this place called Pi-Kharoti... The explanation of the translator of the text concerning this geographical designation "Pi-Kharoti is: "... is not known except in this example." ... Pi-Kharoti is Pi-Khiroth of the Hebrew text. It is the same place. It is the same pursuit. It is erroneous to say that the name is met nowhere else except on the shrine... The inscription on the shrine at el-Arish says that the name of the pharaoh who perished in the whirlpool was Thom or Thoum. It is of interest that Pi-Thom means "the abode of Thom." Pithom was one of the two cities built by the Israelite slaves for the Pharaoh of Oppression. In Manetho, the pharaoh in whose days the "blast of heavenly displeasure" fell upon Egypt, preceding the invasion of the Hyksos, is called Tutimaeus or Timaios. The question, centuries or even millennia old, as to where the Sea of Passage was, can be solved with the help of the inscription on the shrine. On the basis of certain indications in the text, Pi-ha-Khiroth, where the events took place, was on the way from Memphis to Pisoped.

[Immanuel Velikovsky, "Ages In Chaos" (1952), pp 39&44] see also:

• Immanuel Velikovsky, "Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History from the end of The Middle Kingdom In Egypt to the Advent Of Alexander the Great", thesis #12 (1945)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[IYAS9YAS]

Per the leftists ideology, BCE stands for "Before Common Era", thus denying Christ.

Twenty years ago, I had a Theology professor in college blast me for using BC and AD on my papers. He told me to use BCE and CE, instead. So, I asked him what the "Common Era" referred to. He explained it referred to the eras that were commonly recognized as BC and AD. So I asked again, what did BC and AD stand for? Finally, he just left me alone. Iwrote BC and AD on my papers from there out, and he never marked them again.

I was prepared to uncoil his circular logic all day long.

[SunkenCiv]

The supposed Thera “supereruption” isn’t dated to 1177 BC by anyone that I’m aware.

[SunkenCiv]

Link died, dunno why:

First Person: Should Israel Return the Tablets of the Law to Egypt? [ hypothetically ] #20

[SunkenCiv]

Peer Review of 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed
http://asorblog.org/2014/07/10/peer-review-of-1177-b-c-the-year-civilization-collapsed/

[misanthrope]

Boink

[Sherman Logan]

Thera eruption is generally considered sometime between 1400 and 1600.

[SunkenCiv]

Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea: International Trade and the Late Bronze Age Aegean
George Washington University | 1994 | Eric H. Cline [same author as the book]
Posted on 08/28/2004 4:49:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1201978/posts

The Truth About An Epic Tale Of Love, War And Greed (Troy)
The Telegraph (UK) | 3-24-2004 [more about Cline]
Posted on 03/25/2004 12:03:11 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1105131/posts

and, oddly enough, a reply from ehcline himself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3045685/posts?page=39#39

[SunkenCiv]

It’s been pushed back by some to *precisely* (a favorite phrase in the UK academic world) 1628 BC. The fact that it didn’t happen at all per se doesn’t seem to bother them.

[SunkenCiv]

I bought this book in May 2004. Zangger discusses the long history (circa 1885, much earlier than I'd thought) of the "Thera was Atlantis" idea, and beginning on page 44 cuts it to ribbons. It should be noted that Zangger has his own book about what was and wasn't Atlantis. ;') Check out pp 48-49 for a summary of the problems with the idea, and an amusing catalog of other things attributed to the eruption.

"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- Eberhard Zangger, "The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century", pp 49-50.

The Future of the Past Archaeology in the 21st Century by Eberhard Zangger

[WilliamIII]

Yes. It’s been in use for 1500 years, when it was introduced to count from what was thought to be the year of Christs birth. So you’re still counting from Christs birth, but want to deny it. What else do you think that dating system is counting from?

[The_Reader_David]

Cut them a little slack: it’s an Israeli newspaper, and it is one of the well-known differences between Judaism and Christianity (having nothing to do with leftism or liberalism) that Jews do not regard Jesus of Nazareth as Lord (and do not use AD) or the Christ (and thus do not use BC).

[The_Reader_David]

Jews read CE as “Common Era” and BCD as “Before Common Era”.

[Tzfat]

Not His birth, because every idiot knows He wasn’t born in 1 AD. Try to keep up.

[Fred Nerks]

The inscription on the shrine at el-Arish says that the name of the pharaoh who perished in the whirlpool was Thom or Thoum. It is of interest that Pi-Thom means "the abode of Thom." Pithom was one of the two cities built by the Israelite slaves for the Pharaoh of Oppression.

The Varchive seems to be down.

In the sixties of the last century, in el-Arish, a town on the border between Egypt and Palestine, the attention of a traveler was attracted to a shrine (naos) of black granite inscribed with hieroglyphics over all its surfaces...

...The question, centuries or even millennia old, as to where the Sea of Passage was, can be solved with the help of the inscription on the shrine.

[grania]

I just looked it up and the date was associated with the eruption in some sources.

[I am Richard Brandon]

Read “Pharaohs and Kings: A Biblical Quest” by David M. Rohl.
He says Dudimose.

[RayChuang88]

Essentially, what finally happened was that armies from southeastern Europe and eventually Asia Minor (today’s Turkey)—armed with weapons and protective armor made of an early form of steel from iron—quickly overran everyone the eastern Mediterranean that used bronze for swords and protective.

[Texas Fossil]

Here is a .pdf version of the same history via Princeton.

http://www.press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10185.pdf