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One big problem I have with Hillary winning in 2016 is that even if we prevent her reelection and dominate 2020, the Congressional maps that conservatives draw as a consequence of 2020’s results would be challenged and nixed by Hillary’s Supreme Court appointees.

2016 is do-or-die for us. We lose, and it’s game over. And I’m not sure that the NeverTrump crowd has figured out that it’s not enough to lose in 2016 and then elect one of their preferred guys in 2020: by 2020, it’ll be too damn late. She’ll be gone, but her and Obama’s judges will remain with us for the next few decades. She will have left her curse upon us for the next generation.

She must be defeated.

If we lose this, it’s game over for much of our platform. She’ll replace Scalia, Ginsburg, probably Breyer. Who knows how much longer Kennedy has?

Anytime the libs don’t like something we do, they’ll challenge it and their goons on the bench will undo our work. Abortions, gays, trannies, executive orders on a variety of topics - their judges will do the Democrat bidding. If they don’t like a Congressional district map or a voter ID law, it’s undone.

This is make or break for us. I have stubborn NeverTrump relatives who can’t get this through their thick skulls. Trump is far from perfect, but from the list of judges he put out a while ago - along with Pence advising him - he’s well worth the vote.

I don’t think he has. This is a bit disheartening. He needs to be loud and clear on this matter.

Pretty much. We’re done if she wins. This isn’t hyperbole, either. Dems could lose 2020, 2024.. if she gets in and replaces Scalia, Ginsburg, and Breyer, the liberal majority would be really young. Hell, Kennedy isn’t a spring chicken either..

We need the court. We can win all the downticket races we want at state level, but they won’t do a damn bit of good if Anthony Kennedy and his fellow libs are there, waiting to quash any decent laws we pass. As soon as our laws go into effect, liberals sue and we go through this process.

I’m getting tired of it. If Trump wins, hope stays alive. If Trump loses, Hillary names Scalia’s replacement and we’re done for a long time.

That’s my hope. Anecdotally, I’m seeing a lot of new-to-politics people paying positive attention to Trump. He’d be a gamechanger, and we’d get the added joy of seeing confident/smug liberals and journalists being shocked at the results on Election Night.

I think Kaine is it.

Take the states that Dems have won since 1992: 242 electoral votes.

Virginia is 13, getting her to 255.

Then she needs is 15 votes from:
NH-4 (which looks like it’s been overrun by libs from NY & MA)
IA-6
NV-6 (overrun by illegals and libs from CA)
NM-5 (overrun by illegals)
CO-9 (similar story to NV)

Or one of Ohio & Florida.

Kaine would put her within field goal range, and all she needs is 2 points.

It’s part of why, despite initially supporting Cruz, I’ve switched my preference to Trump. Cruz great at exciting the base, but Trump’s the only one who could expand the the map for us and break that electoral wall that the Dems start with. Otherwise, we’re playing on a tilted playing field.

We already have a handful of wimping-out senators indicating that they’re willing to meet with the nominee.

Per NBC, four Republican senators say they will meet with Judge Garland:
Ayotte
Collins
Flake
Portman

I hope they get primaried. This is NOT to be tolerated. The stakes here are huge.

Exactly. I’d take Cruz or Trump, but we’ve been burned too damn many times, and Rubio has already shown us what kind of a man he is with his acts.

Immigration is an existential issue. If our candidate fails or betrays us on it, all is lost, as our country will be flooded with undocumented Democrats. At that point, the country is gone. It’s no longer our country.

I know some will lecture me about dutifully lining-up, but I refuse to be burned again. I’m not going to play the role of Charlie Brown while the GOPe plays its Lucy role yet again.

Finally caught-up with watching this.

I don’t trust Rubio. There’s something snively/sneaky about him, to where I could see him cutting really nasty deals with Democrats if they regain the Senate and/or House. I’ve trusted smooth, fast-talkers like him before, but I’m tired of being burned for the umpteenth time. No leap of faith this time.

Cruz I deeply admire, even though his campaign has made some missteps along the way. He came across as authentic, even funny at moments. I sense that, when in the clutch on tough decisions, he’ll hew to the constitutional philosophy; I don’t doubt his adherence to conservatism like I do with Rubio, who seems like a scam artist.

This whole election season is going to make one hell of a movie someday. But it’d need to be longer than two hours to properly cover everything that’s happened.

Maybe make a miniseries out of it. It has everything: humor, intrigue, backroom dealing, drama, music. It even has a horror monster (Hillary!) as the villain overshadowing everything!

Rubio can kiss off.

I’m not taking a Souter-nominating, immigration-pandering flip-flopper. I’ll sit out if he’s forced-upon us.

We’ve had enough establishment guys forced on us. We’re told that they’re the best hope, that they’re sufficiently conservative, that they won’t disappoint - and when the rubber hits the road, when the time comes for a decision, when it’s time for the politician to reveal where he truly stands.. we conservatives find another dagger in our back.

I’m not doing it anymore. We’ve likely passed the threshold of no return with Obama’s win in 2012 anyway.

I agree, and I hope that this kind of thing helps to convince Jeb that he needs to stay in the race at least through Florida.

It’s not like we the voters are listening to GOPe endorsements, so let them spread around the establishment candidates. Keep them all encouraged.

What’s particularly funny is the party leadership thinking that this kind of thing will change the course of the race. They still don’t get it. And I’m not crying.. not if it helps Trump or Cruz win.

I’d vote for him, so long as his pivot for the general doesn’t carry betrayal with it. He’s stated that he will run as a conservative, and up until now, I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt.

Picking my preference for his running mate (Cruz) would also be a HUGE reassurance. Trump’s not my first pick, but I’ve noticed that they could work well together.

If Cruz isn’t viable in the primary by the time the process gets to my state, I’m voting Trump over any of the establishment squishes. Rubio, Jeb, Christie, Kasich.. all non-options in my book.

I’m a Cruz guy, but if Trump is the nominee, I’m still on-board.

I can’t back Rubio, Jeb, Christie, or Kasich. They’re all cut from the same wimpy cloth. Too damn moderate. Too much squishiness. In the past, I’ve tried to trust politicians who try to sell themselves as real conservatives, and whenever there was the claim that they were secret moderates, that claim came true, and we conservatives have been burned.

I’m tired of being burned. Any amount of good will that I had for the establishment has been loooooong gone. Trump’s the real deal, he has good men vouching for him, and he’s giving those establishment wimps fits. It’s been heartening to witness.

This guy.. head of oversight?

And has he done his job? NO.

So this feckless loser endorses another milquetoast, feckless loser. Not shocking.

If the establishment thinks that they can force through their golden boy pro-immigration candidate past Trump or Cruz, they have another thing coming.

If Hillary wins and replaces Scalia and Kennedy, it’s ballgame. The libs would then have a 6-3 majority. Anything brought before the court would go the liberals’ way. And given that anything contentious is almost immediately challenged in federal court, this would effectively give the liberals the final word.

This would go beyond just the federal level. We could rack-up wins like crazy every two years at state level, and the libs would challenge anything they didn’t like.

By the grace of God, we still have Scalia and Kennedy in place. As a result, Obama hasn’t had the opportunity to tilt the court that much - he’s simply replaced liberals with liberals. But if Hillary wins, the reality of the actuarial table sets in, and our prayers for the health of the justices become more important. It’d take a generation to begin to recover. We don’t have that kind of time.

Yup. I’m looking at the phrasing of the question, and I’d agree with his assessment of it not being a “top 3” issue. The ruling made me sick, and family is easily a top 10 priority - but it comes likely in the form of Supreme Court appointments.

Trump/Cruz: 337
Clinton/Castro: 201

The Republicans in Congress and the justice department - who are supposed to be investigating the witch - are going to deliberately neglect their jobs, but the voters will render their judgement upon her, and it won’t be pretty.

Cruz is my #1 guy, but it is my deepest hope that he not fall for this kind of skullduggery. Trump would be an acceptable #2, especially if he arrives at the convention with Cruz as his running mate; I’d rather these two guys not provide the Clintons and their media lackeys with ammo against each other later on. Either one of them would be eons better than the unacceptable choices pushed by the establishment.