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Last time I checked, the Reps didn’t do so well with George Bush -copy McCain.

Bush was a liberal. People wanted “change” so much they stupidly voted for someone even more liberal.

Most Reps are NOT conservative. See, there is only ONE standard for conservatism: You either follow the letter of the law of the Constitution, or you don’t.

However, when Reps HAVE acted conservatively, they have been smashingly popular. See Ronald Reagan.

The Constitution does not delegate the powers the Federal government to have a central bank, so it is unconstituional.
ONLY Ron Paul has called for an end to the Fed.

The Constitution does not delegate powers to the federal government to be involved in education.
ONLY Ron Paul has called to end the Dept. of Education.

The Constitution does not delegate powers to the federal government to regulate alcohol, tobacco, or firearms.
ONLY Ron Paul has called to end the ATF.

Need I go on?????

Most members of the Republican party are NOT conservative. They are merely another big government party of a slightly different stripe.

FREEDOM. You don’t need to be so scared of it.

You know, when Andrew Jackson was President, at one ball, he made a toast:
“The Union forever!”

The great South Carolina statesman and vice-president, John C. Calhoun,who was also his protagonist, then made a toast:
“After Liberty, Union!”

Calhoun was right.

The US as a NATION was never supposed to exist. The US was supposed to remain a Union.

The US, as described by the Constitution, has not existed for some time. And unfortunately, most of our neighbors in the north and on the West Coast was nothing like the union described therein. Quite simply, they was socialism or communism, and they will not rest until they have it.
And they have us outnumbered.
However, many of us Constituionalists still dream of they freedom that our fathers had.

It matters not what happened in the last civil war.

All that matters is the answer to this question:
Are YOU willing to be a slave?

I wish you well in your chains, my friend.

God WASN’T on the side of the Union.

Folks forget that Nero was crown, while Christ was crucified.

Might doesn’t make right.

The damnyankees are dominated by secular humanists (ie, liberals).

A free South would have REMAINED a Christian, Constitutional, government.

Sorry, but there aren’t enough yankee conservatives to count. Those folks up there WANT their socialism or communism.

I say let ‘em have it.

Just don’t drag the South down with you.

For a free, Christian South!

These are NOT “Southron tales”. I am more than willing to pull ANY random sampling of pictures of Confederates - or of the general Southern populous, for that matter, taken in 1864 - 5, and see if they do not show very thin, underfed people. There are many - MANY - journals from Southern officers saying the same thing-that their troops were starving to death.

The South gave all it had in its’ attempt to win its’ independence. Something like 1/3 of all men of fighting age. All its’ wealth. Everything it had.

The rations of the Confederate army in -64 and early -65 are very well documented, for anyone willing to do a little research. If you don’t believe me, do some reasearch. The entire South was literally starving to death.

This says nothing about the “rebel leadership”. It says something about the dedication Southern men made to go to war; about the minimalist Southern navy and the effectiveness of the blockade; etc. The WAS NO FOOD, PERIOD. And that’s not all. There was no paper; there was not cloth to make clothing; nothing.

Life for troops in Andersonville was tough, no doubt. 95 degree heat in the south Georgia sun isn’t a lot of fun. What is even less fun was the yankee gangs that collected within the camp and beat up on - even killed - each other.

Yankee camps near Chicago (and other places north) were different. While a 95F afternoon in Geogia ain’t fun, a sub-feezing day in northern Illinois means DEATH. As stated, the yankees COULD have provided food and shelter - they just DIDN’T.

Ever read a transcript of Wirz’ trial? It was a complete kangaroo court. Union ‘judges’ thanked yankee witnesses who claimed to have seen Wirtz’ abuses for their “good and honest testimony” - until it was proven that the “witnesses” were not even AT Andersonville.

In fact, at Wirtz’ trial, there is only ONE witness who could not be discounted. He claimed that he had personally seen Wirtz shoot a prisoner in cold blood. Only two problems with his testimony:
1) Wirtz was not even AT Andersonville on the day the witness claimed; and
2) Sometime later, it was proven that this single “witness” was not at Andersonville at all. He was a Union deserter who wasn’t even there.

Wirtz was innocent. He paid the price for yankee radicals who wrote stories of “abuses” in Southern prison camps in northern newspapers, much has they had published repeated stories of abuses of Southern slaves. Take a little bit of truth, add in a bunch of over-the-top sensationalism, and you’ve got a real story. Actually, the liberal press isn’t a whole lot different today.

There was indeed someone who was guilty for what happened in the Southern prisons, though.
You see, the Confederacy asked Lincoln for medicine and food for the northern prisoners; even guarranteed passage for Union medics. Lincoln refused.
The South offered prisoner exchanges that would have saved their lives. Lincoln refused.

There was, indeed, a criminal involved.

His name: Abraham Lincoln.

Stainless, I know that you know your history.

The story of Andersonville has never been (publicly) told completely.

The death rate of the Confederate sentries was actually slightly HIGHER than that of the northern prisoners. The prisoners got EXACTLY the same rations as the Confederates - only about 700 calories a day. The Confederate army, at the end, was a starving, skeleton army.

However, the situation in northern prison camps was the same (or worse, in some instances), but the reasons were totally DIFFERENT. The northerners had PLENTY of food, they HAD provisions to protect their prisoners from the elements, they HAD medicine to give them.

The yankees didn’t provide for their prisoners simply because they were war criminals.

Not so sure about USuC fans being so loyal. I remember the 63-17 bashing Clemson gave USuC a few years ago in Columbia. By halftime, the stands were empty except for the folks wearing orange.

You’re right, in everything else, though. Their passion would be endearing, were it not so misguided. They have to be, howevere, some of the least knowledgeable football fans I know of....

Actually, Moose4, Clemson football and NASCAR probably tie for 2nd behind Christianity.

As for those guys down at USC, well, there’s a few bad apples in the best of crowds!

Clemson Alumnus, 1982

GO TIGERS!

Actually, secession ALWAYS works - unless there is a tyrant in power!

Within the last 15 years, we have literally seen secession break out WORLDWIDE - and we have supported it EVERYWHERE!

Did you not support the secession of West Germany from the Soviet Empire? How about the Czech Republic? Poland? Or for that matter, each and every state of the former Soviet Union?

Maybe you did not support, for that matter, the idea of 13 British colonies from Britain in, say, about 1776?

You mean kind of like British citizens in 13 British colonies “rebeled against their nation”? Perhaps your allegience is to the Union Jack.

In 1776, we would have called you a Tory.

Perhaps you should re-reads the first paragraph of a document called the “Declaration of Independence”. Apparently there is something about the God-given right to liberty that you don’t understand.

titus,
I could not say it better. Let the liberals leave this time (140 years ago we conservatives left); they can join socialist Canada; and maybe the rest of us could revive the original Constitutional Republic ( the pre-Lincoln one ).

At least what’s left of it after the Mexicans re-take Texas and the southwest.

Didn’t get to see it, but a friend at work told me about it this AM.

He said - AMAZINGLY - that the History Channel told about how Sherman basically MASS MURDERED the blacks who tried to follow him out of Savannah; and what an incredible racist Sherman was.

I knew that Sherman ALLOWED the blacks to drown in the Savannah. I didn’t know that he actually had the bridge cut, CAUSING them to drown.

Sherman was a war criminal, just like his boss.

Both men show have hung for their war crimes.

Not very surprising that Lincoln was admired by the two greatest tyrants in the history of the world - Marx and Hitler - is it?

The Confederacy did NOT steal anything, unlike Lincoln’s war criminals that invaded the South.

Grant was a slaveowner too.

What is the point?

The economy WILL fail, in a big, BIG way!
The constant devaluation of the dollar - thanks to the Fed - and the recent trend for the Chinese to stop supporting the dollar world-wide will ultimately lead to a HUGE crash that will make the original Depression seem like nirvana.
Ultimately, the US will fail for either these reasons OR the unwillingness to stop the illegal hordes working on establishing Azetlan. But it WILL happen; probably within the next 30 years.

And personally, we may find that it is NOT a bad thing.

You know, we are of two worldviews in this country; and those world views are polar opposites.
One believes that life is precious, and should be protected.
The other believes that life is a "choice" that should be eradicated at will.

One believes that the law is what it says.
The other believes that law can be 'interpretted' into whatever you want it to be.

One believes in self-reliance, and the freedom of choice to give Christian charity to the needy.
The other believes in equality of results, and no personal charity, but a government welfare state.

One believes it is not only a God-given right, but possibly even a responsibility to keep and bear arms.
The other believes that guns are evil, and only a professional military (who they really don't like) should have them.

Most people in the first catagory live in the Bible-belt South and heartland.
Most in the second live in the northeast and west coasts.

I don't want to force my views on them. And I sure don't want their views forced on me (but they ARE, currently)

Let the US end, if it means we get freedom back...

Just read your note about Lincoln being right based on "we the people", not "we the states".
This is a very curious viewpoint.

"The people", en mass, did not create, nor do they modify the Constitution.

The Constitution was created when States sent representatives to the Convention; it was only effected when ratified by THE STATES--- NOT "the people" in general.

The federal government has ONLY powers delegated to it by the STATES, when they ratify an amendment.

The federal government, therefore, is not superior to the States, but only an agent of the States.

As the author clearly stated, for many, many years, States passed acts of nullification- if effect, telling the federal government to KISS OFF.

Lincoln was a tyrant. There is no other explanation for his actions. Like all tyrants, he abused his power to force a government on a large group of people who wanted liberty from that government. Just like King George, and Mao, and Stalin.

Actually, Lincoln never recognized the sovereignty of the Confederacy, or that the Southern states had even seceded. Lincoln simply did whatever he wanted, and made up arguments to support whatever actions he took, regardless what the Constitution said.
-He suspended habeus corpus, without Congressional vote (clearly listed in the Constitution as Congressional, NOT presidential, authority). When the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, named Tanney, came down with a ruling that Lincoln's actions were unconstitutional, Lincoln ordered the Chief Justice arrested. (When in the Course of Human Events, Charles Adams).
-Lincoln ended freedom of the press by presidential fiat. First, he sent Union troops to burn down the newspaper offices. When that proved unpopular, he sent federal troops to arrest the newpaper editors. His final tactic was to order the US Mail not to delivery papers for those newspapers that printed nasty things about him. During the war, about 300 northern newspapers were shut down.

The tyrrany of Lincoln goes on, and on, and on.....

I guess they don't like the Founding Fathers, either. Such brainwashing.

Ah, yes. Might makes right, and damn the rule of law or the principles of freedom and self-determination.

Lincoln joined the ranks of King George, Chairman Mao, Stalin, and Krushchev when he decided to use force to FORCE a government on a people who wanted independence from it. Lincoln was evil.

Actually, the right to Liberty comes from God, NOT from government. Please re-read your Declaration of Independence.

Governments will ALWAYS try to prevent people from their Liberty. I give you, Abraham Lincoln, King George, Stalin, Krushchev, Chairman Mao, all as examples.