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When we look at the Body of Christ , we focus on th efinished work at the cross to redeem mankind from the Original Syn of Adam!
When anyone detracts from the Savior's life giving Grace in order to confuse or distract it is good to seek an answer from the best authority, which in this case is not Luther but Saint Paul. Paul wrote most of the "rest of the Bible" I suggest you study inside the Epistles of Paul, rather than a "contemporary . The entire story of salvation is perfectly spelled out by Paul!

When Luther began to read what Paul wrote in the scriptures his catholic eyes were OPENED!

Hay Ive got it !


How about ...
THE CROSS!
or
THE Ministry!
Or
The Burden ...
Or
THE YOKE!
OR
something that will really get the carnal Attention of teen youth in the unregenerate world , HOW ABOUT...

The Righteous Faithful Narrow Road!

35 Years Ago Flip Wilson did a Skit...
I think he called "his church"
The Church of What's Happenin' NOW!

I believe you will discover that the writers of the actual Book... The Bible ... where not really interested in
conforming to the world in order to gain physical "numbers".

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Rom 12:1 Therefore, brothers, I call on you through the compassions of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is the good and pleasing and perfect will of God.
Rom 12:3 For through the grace which is given to me, I say to everyone being among you, not to have high thoughts beyond what is right to think. But set your mind to be right-minded, even as God divided a measure of faith to each.

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You may find out that Jesus is capable of doing much more than you tend to give Him credit for.
Rather than conforming to the world , people will be transformed when the CROSS is preached ...
Paul said

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I believe the originator (instigator!) who started this thread should in fact elaborate or the disgusting inference that President and Patriot/Christian American Hero Ronald Reagan "may" not be saved.

Please = why don't you simply ask Him when you get there,
If you are so interested in making shure Presidents are saved...
why don't you "SAVE" Clinton while he is still breathing air!

Was Reaga saved?
Everyone who has ever been born on this earth IS SAVED!
Jesus did His work at Calvary!
Now the question is .. .. ..
Did Ronald Reagan Believe In that Salvation?
Yes ! There is no doubt he was Born Again of the Holy Spirit through the Life giving Blood of Jesus Christ!

Is the Pope saved ?

Buffalo Bill -1944
Buffalo Bill & the Indians or Sitting Bull’s History Lesson -1976
California -1947
Cattle King -1963
Citizen Kane -1941
Court martial of Billy Mitchell -1955
Death Race 2000 -1975
Davy Crockett-King of the Wild Frontier -1954
Fancy Pants -1950
The First Texan -1956
The Great Moment -1944
The Gorgeous Hussy -1936
Kaiser, the Beast of Berlin -1918
Lone Star -1952
The Man Without a Country -1937
The Night Riders - 1939
No More Excuses -1968
The Oklahoma Kid -1939
On the Jump -1918
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid -1973
The President’s lady -1953
Ragtime -1981
Rebellion -1936
Silver Dollar -1932
Stars & Stripes Forever -1952
The Story of Will Rogers -1952
Take Me Out To the Ball Game -1949
Tennessee Johnson -1943
Tricia’s Wedding -1971
Why America will Win -1918
*The Winning Team* -1952 starring Ronald Reagan*
Young Guns
Young Guns II

Buffalo Bill -1944
Buffalo Bill & the Indians or Sitting Bull’s History Lesson -1976
California -1947
Cattle King -1963
Citizen Kane -1941
Court martial of Billy Mitchell -1955
Death Race 2000 -1975
Davy Crockett-King of the Wild Frontier -1954
Fancy Pants -1950
The First Texan -1956
The Great Moment -1944
The Gorgeous Hussy -1936
Kaiser, the Beast of Berlin -1918
Lone Star -1952
The Man Without a Country -1937
The Night Riders - 1939
No More Excuses -1968
The Oklahoma Kid -1939
On the Jump -1918
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid -1973
The President’s lady -1953
Ragtime -1981
Rebellion -1936
Silver Dollar -1932
Stars & Stripes Forever -1952
The Story of Will Rogers -1952
Take Me Out To the Ball Game -1949
Tennessee Johnson -1943
Tricia’s Wedding -1971
Why America will Win -1918
*The Winning Team* -1952 starring Ronald Reagan*
Young Guns
Young Guns II

Alexander Hamilton -1931
Alexander Hamilton -1942
Amsted -1997
Annie
Angel of Pennsylvania Ave.
Absolute Power
Advice & Consent
The Alternate
America -1924
Apache Country
Assassination
Asteroid
Battle Cry of Peace -1915
Beginning or the End
Betsy Ross -1917
The Brass Ring
Brenda Starr -1989
The Buccaneer
Blind Horizon
By Dawn’s Early Light –TV 1990
Canadian Bacon
Captain America
Capricorn One
Cash & Carry
Court Martial -1928
Declaration of Independence -1924
Delphi Bureau
Far Horizons
Flag of Freedom -1913
From the Earth to the Moon
Give em’ Hell Harry -1975
Gun -2001
The Godson -1998
How the West was Won
Hot Shots- Part Deux
INCHON -1981
Independence -1976
John Paul Jones -1959
Kisses for My President -1964
The Package
The Phantom President -1932
The Rock
La Fayette -1962
The Longest Day
The Long Gray Line -1955
MacArthur -1977
Mackenzie’s Raiders
Madam Who 1918
The Man from Independence -1974
The Monroe Doctrine -1939
Monsieur Beaucaire
My Own United States -1918
Nancy -1970
Pandemonium -1982
The Pigeon That Took Rome -1962
The Reluctant Dragon -1941
The Right Stuff
Romance of Louisiana -1938
Species II -1998
Spirit of 76 -1979
Superman 4
Successful Calamity -1932
Tell Them Willy Boy is Here
That’s My Bush
This is My Affair -1937
Threat Matrix
Time Tunnel -1966
War & Remembrance
Williamsburg: the Story of a Patriot -1957
Winds of War
Winds of Kitty Hawk -1978
Whoops Apocalypse
The Woman Every Man Wants
Zorn -1994

Luther said the same thing many years ago!
They got upset because he attempted to set off alarm bells!
Damn those pesky alarm bells!
Such is the life of ignorant catholics!
Ignorance is BLISS!

There you have it!
What can not be subdued by ignorance will be kept by force!

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, [even] unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2Ti 2:11 [It is] a faithful saying: For if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, [yet] he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put [them] in remembrance, charging [them] before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, [but] to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

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I made the decision to put Jesus above the religion of man!

Hello Brethern also!
Human (in Adam!) born 1953!
Sprinkled by priest 1963!
Confirmed Catholic 1965!
Allowed to take first steps to "THINK" for myself 1971!
Re-Born into the Family of God through the Blood of Jesus Christ -1984!
Seek Him, First , all these (other) things will be added unto you!
The Truth will set you FREE!

Anyway,parents needs to be the chief catechists.

Suppose a parent wanted to be a good "PARENT"... would that pass as acceptable?
Do you perhaps imagine that there might be a per cent age of "ignorant catholics, who in their quest to be honest with OD thus stumbled upon the truth and thus suddenly emerged reformed awakened protestants?

It could be said to be a wise catholic is to be ...no more "catholic"!
Then where can one find a learned catholic?
To be catholic one MUST carry some form of ignorance!
Speaking from personal experience...
I found no room to worship the LORD within the walls of the Roman "church" once I began a serious deliberate quest to learn JESUS... not learn "about" Him, but actually know HIM, my steps lead away from the "priesthood" & the "mass", and transubstantiation.

Do all the inhabitants of the earth have to sit in complete ignorance of where the next earthquake might occur? Absolutely not. The use of fundamental math and physics can guide a way forward. The rules of information theory are not even considered for most problems. The recent event in Turkey where tens of thousands have been killed and injured could have been better predicted than it was. Geological experts have appeared in the media to proclaim that better prediction is impossible. We do not agree!

Better earthquake prediction can be had. There is an electrical flow field in the ground which very clearly responds to the earth's crustal stress changes. This has been proven by several well known and experienced scientists and engineers. These men have used methods that they had developed for the analysis of high speed airflow on airplanes. They were all involved in the early days of aircraft development which led to today's transonic and supersonic commercial and military aircraft.

Geologists are attempting to use the earth's electric and electromagnetic field to predict quakes but they are not aware of the classical mathematical and physical phenomena involved in flow field analysis. There exists theoretical and experimental data to prove that proper analysis of the earth's electrical flow field will give better earthquake prediction. We, the Landers Search Lab Corporation, have this data and we challenge all experts to analyze our methods. To date none have. Only broad comments without the benefit of careful scientific inspection of the physics, math and computer programming we used have been made. We realize that there are many who claim that they can predict quakes by the barking of dogs or some other vague phenomena, but we are well recognized experienced scientists and engineers. Please! Give us a break!

Chinese seismologists from the State Seismological Bureau in Beijing have written us that they agree with our approach. They requested that we work together on this program but no one in the USA has agreed to cooperate. More information on this for the non technical layman is available. Almost anyone who can read can understand the basic ideas involved.


Please contact us for further information:
Maurice S. Cahn, Director of Research

Landers Search Lab Corporation
Post Office Box 3854
Landers, CA 92285 mcahn1@mindspring.com

Our methods probably require much more discussion. We are prepared for an in depth review of the math and physics of our work. Here some technical points to start the disussion:
Electrical flow fields are identical to non viscous fluid flow fields. The lack of viscosity in the electrical fields makes them much simpler to analyze.
Although the detail variation of the earth's electrical field with time is very erratic, Fourier analysis has shown that the quasi static daily, weekly and monthly flow patterns are very consistent and closely associated with crustal stress build up.
The variation in resistivity of the earth is a function of position. In fluid flows the variation in density, which is exactly analogous to resistivity, is a function of local velocity. The primary problem for high speed airflow was how to handle the variations in density. Methods were developed for transonic airplane flight which apply directly to electrical fields with the changes in resistivity which occurs in the earth.
Due to the lack of a suitable reference, it is impossible to measure the absolute value of the voltage at a point. However, the electrical flow field is an harmonic function for which all space derivatives exist. Therefore, by measuring the spacial derivative at a location, the complete character of the field can be ascertained.

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Let me explain my position in the controversial field of science in which we are involved. It is difficult for me to believe that I am right and the great men with great reputations say otherwise. However, this is not the first time in the history of science that such a thing has happened. In fact it is more the rule.

First let me talk about complex function theory (CFT). (As near as I can determine this has no relation to complex adaptive systems mentioned in "The Quark And The Jaguar." Gell-Mann.) CFT is a mathematical theory developed first by La Place (I believe) to predict the flow of heat. Chapter V in the book by Milne-Thompson, which you have, is a pretty good review of the subject. You do not have to know this material for us to make progress. Many people caused significant progress in CFT and they did not know the details. Also many famous men have added to the use of CFT and applied it to the flow of electricity, fluids and other things which obey LaPlace's equation (del^2 phi = 0). When I entered the field in 1947, CFT was still being developed. In fact it was 1966 when the ability to get the solution for the potential flow about arbitrary shapes was made possible by AMO Smith and John Hess at Douglas.

Since then some guys at Northrop and at Van Every & Associates (VE&A) made some significant innovative applications of CFT. Some of these applications still have not been properly brought into use on the "front lines" of engineering. I find myself in possession of some of these methods and no one to share them with. Further advances in the field can not be made without more people understanding and working on the application of these techniques. CFT can be used to improve airplane and ship design, weather prediction, earthquake prediction and surely other problems.

I have found that many top scientists and engineers are not aware of this possibility. I blame the use of large main frame computers to solve flow field problems by detailed network calculations for this paradox. It has made the understanding and manipulation of the basic equations seem unnecessary. I have talked to many top people at universities, government and industry and they have not kept their awareness of the power of CFT in the everyday world of engineering. I do not believe they have to know the details of CFT manipulation themselves. There are plenty of good mathematicians who can carry out the nitty gritty work of applications.

I also believe the Internet environment created by software designers for instant communications has made it impossible to do the trial and error "broken field running" required to solve the tough problems. I think we should get together and discuss this matter and figure how to get some more people working on this very important approach. I will go to San Diego or anywhere in SoCal any time to discuss and debate, if necessary, this subject.

Now for the big topic: the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. I can't believe that the intricate reasoning by the high priests of science trying to bring quantum theory into the 2nd Law has left us without a means to get numbers for the effort required to do creative work that does not involve energy. The use of entropy to guide us in our work was understood in 1900. I don't believe it is necessary to use quantum concepts to solve problems of aerodynamics, chemistry, mechanics, heat flow or any process where sub atomic processes are not involved. More important social, political, health, computer usage and many other problems are not covered.

Our world is getting more and more chaotic because of the lack of entropy numbers in our daily world. Can we discuss this problem. Can we get together with others who claim to know the 2nd Law and thrash this out. I claim the world ain't going to work right until we get this straight. Sorry if I have to disagree with the high priests of science but it is obvious that the world is not now working right. Right?

Hamlet said:
"The time is out of joint. Oh cursed spite,
That ever I was born to set it right."
I say:
"The time is out of joint. Oh happy plight,
That we now know how to set it right."

Let's do it!
Maurice (FARMER GATES) Cahn

Bloody Marvelous! Thank you so much.
They should do very well, indeed.
Quite Right!
Yes!
That Means a bit of alright, considering the whole media establishment is off its head to the left! They have ambitions to push the pattern of society further toward communism. Bravo! To the ones who "report" & do not soap box.

I was born a California native.
I appologize for the heat in my comment, but ,
I can not see a laid back answer to the invasion.
The fact is for the past 30 years the schools as poor as they are in MEXICO have taught the Mexican children that the nasty USA stole Texas & California from "THEM". The fact is most Mexicans now believe it is their RIGHT to occupy this nation because they have been brainwashed to feel it is already their property!
They have no obligation to obey our laws because they are under the opinion it belongs to them!
The current President is blind to the invasion of Mexicans because all his friends in Texas need slave labor to produce their "capital-gains".
I know a strong ARMY along the southern border would deminish the invasion by almost 80% of what it is now.

Southern California
Quake Patrol
(SCQP)

Introduction
It has been shown that large earthquakes can be detected months in advance. This was demonstrated by Chinese scientists in the Beijing Seismological Bureau in 1976. They were able to see changes in the electrical properties of the ground over an extended area 5 months prior to a devastating magnitude 7.8 quake in Tangshan, China where 500,000 people died.

In this country the Landers Search Laboratories Co (LSLC), an organization of prominent aerospace engineers, showed that the 5.6 magnitude Sierra Madre quake of 1991 was visible in ground electrical measurements 2 months before the quake. This work was a fallout from work sponsored by DARPA in the DOD. Since then data from stations in Southern California have further verified these results. Experimental and theoretical analysis of the electrical flow and the effects of earth’s crustal stresses on the flow has shown that earthquake prediction by this method is a viable process. Complete proof of this is contained in a computer presentation by LSLC and it is available to those who are concerned about the earthquake prediction problem. Also described in this presentation is how those who participate will be paid.

Conservative engineering and marketing estimates have been made to determine the financial gain probabilities for those who participate. Assuming a station every 50 miles in earthquake prone nations it was determined that a $25 billion business will be needed to satisfy the demand.

The Landers Search Lab Co is setting up the Southern California Quake Patrol. The requirements for each station has been simplified so that anyone can participate. All that is required at each station are two metal rods in the ground aligned north-south and a voltmeter. Data will be taken once a day and emailed once a week to a central station.

After processing, the results, in the form of graphic displays of the electric field and on-going quakes, will be shared with all participants. The analysis programs and data will also be shared with those engineers interested in details and further development.

Directions
1. Place 2 identical iron stakes in the ground one 10 ft. due north of the other. Large nail like stakes about 12 inches long which are sold at most hardware stores work fine. Contrary to most ground rods these stakes will not carry any current if a good self balancing volt meter (which most are) is used. It is preferable to have stakes which will corrode and become one with the local ground. Short lengths of re-bar are satisfactory. Do not make an ohms measurement during the taking of data. It will distort the voltage reading.
2. Using a digital volt meter with wires and alligator clips hook the southern post to the positive or common input of the meter, read the voltage in milivolts indicating + or -. This must be done at noon or within 15 minutes of noon each day.

3. You must determine the latitude and longitude of your station. The use of maps will provide sufficient accuracy. Give the station a name you like.

4. Place the daily numbers on a form and email the results to rotts48@yahoo.com once each week. Let the form cover only one week from Sunday through Saturday.

5. The form should be as follows:

Station name: xxxx xxxx xx
Latitude: xx.xx N
Longitude: xxx.xx W
Sunday date: yr/mo/da

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sign milivolts
day +or- reading

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Sun:
Mon:
Tue:
Wed:
Thu:
Fri:
Sat:

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That’s it. For a discussion and proof of the validity of this method a presentation can be made at select locations and times in So. Cal. These presentations can be requested from mcahn1@mindspring.com.

For locations other than So. Cal. it is suggested that those interested set up a system of stations in their area. If you do not have access to email then your weekly data sheet cam be mailed to:
Landers Search Lab
P. O. Box 3854
Landers, CA 92285

Most important: Have fun.

This idea of yours to grill each "dry-back" as they drive through the border is insane!
Being from Pennsylvania you have no concept of the traffic at the border in San Diego or El Paso.
There is no way to subjectively survey the mass of aliens pouring in across in cars. It is rediculous to think a government employee would bother.
///"Do you intend to become a US citizen and to reside in the US permanently?" ////"Do you intend to work in the US for a limited time?"///
While a thousand US citizens wait in line to drive back into their own country? How about we have each Mexican fill out a 40 page questionaire right there at the border crossing? We would be much better off placing them in a job that meets their skill level. We better ask what is their highest education level, or if they paln on continuing education in a state run college. We should give them an FCAT and SAT tests as they cross into our Nation.
Is there any room in your brilliant plan for the criminals who will answer with lies?
Is there any way of finding out if these aliens have potentially harmful dieases?
Will we ask if they are pregnant and only seeking asylunm for their soon to be American babies?
Should we give them a MasterCard application as well?
How about signing them up for college entrance and food stamps right there while they sit in there car?
Do we also have them fill out a form to join the democratic party & register to vote for Kerrey?
Don't forget to ask if they have any medical problems!
It might well be a good idea to have them apply for HUD!
We need to give them the option to sign up for AFLAC or Blue Cross too!
They will need a cell phone don't you think? Perhaps the guy with the over coat can hand them an ALLTEL digital Camera phone as they drive thru and ask them if you can hear me now?! They will need an adress in order to get a valid Winn Dixie Customer Reward card! Don't forget to ask them if they golf! They will need to have membership at the local Country Club Too!
///They would have to show a tourist visa ///
I don't think the ones packed into the tomato truck at midnight will be worring about showing anyone a valid temporary tourist visa.
---- Doug Loss---- How are you going to force criminals to obey the law? It is much easier to sneak in un noticed and avoid all the paper red tape insanity!
Illegal aliens are criminals! Criminals must be permanently identified with a microchip implant upon deportation. Further infractions will become more severe. All illlegal
criminals should be treated as hostile enemies until the war on terror is over!
This will force all the soft Americans who have warm feelings for these offenders to get tough on the Mexican Criminals invaiding our Nation.

I was sort of hoping (at the start of the Iraqi War)...
When I heard the term, "IMBEDDED REPORTERS" I sort of hoped it meant that Ameriaca would actually be witnessing the liberal media in IRAQ with their Heads imbedded up their Arshes!
I remember before the age of instant media, when Americans used to think for themselves, not let Dan Rather do it for them.
Sedition and Treason are words that need to be applied to those who seek to destroy the freedom and liberty given to us.