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I hope this meeting will not be a disaster for kurdish nation in north kurdistan( occupied by Turks)!
If they really want to solve problems of middle east they have to listen to the plight of 40 million kurds.

One group is bad. Yes but in Kurdish communities we do not accept ansar islam as kurds. Kurds never used terrorism as way of thier struggle over 80 years, though they were always terrorised by the states they live in.
They are not one group they are few individuals who arabs brain washed them, who they are nothing compared to 40 million kurds in the world, who are proud that they are most civilised nation with great morals, values and principl, despite that the world has ignored their plight and their human rights, because of the interest in Oil reach Arabs and west's friend Turks.
About the London attack, I live in London and I didn't heared that group were accused.

"the deal not only horrified Iraq's kurd and Shia Arabs"
Yes in deed we are horrified, and I can not understand what happened in Fallujah,where are the militias who were fighting and the terrorists, where are the heavey arms they were fighting with. We have not heared of any of these that should had happened, instead now Falujah fighters are source of the suicide bombings which started again in the rest of Iraq after the siege of Falujah was over. We just left them to move to other areas of the countrey and continue their terrorist acts against every body, and joined to help with Mahdi army.
I feel realy sad, Aljazera and BBC are helping these people more than any body can imagin. I feel that BBC is another Arabic channel, I don't know about American channels.

Horrible. They are not human , they are monsters created by Saudies and the Arab political establishment over last 80 years. If things not change in this part of the world it will become unimaginable. I know it and lived it before. This time is worse as they will think they are winning. My heart is with the family of this innocent man. Realy shocking, it is the same as the real Kurdish genocides and the twinn terrorist explosion in Hewler( Iraqi kurdistan capital) on 1st Febr this year were 200 innocent people among them children were celebrating 1st day of feast and were blown up by terrorists into piceses the sceens of which comes in my dreams up to this day,and not leave my mind.

Very Barbaric and brutal but, what about other murders that you do not see, for these people this is very natural and normal, we know what these people are capable of, have you heared about (Nugrat Salman)prison, it is the symbol of brutality and the criminal mind of these people it is a symbole of kurdish genocide, Go to kurdistan and ask any one what Nugrat Salman means to you and listen to their stories,it is aplace in Arab desert (south of Iraq) were kurds have never seen and imagin to see in their live even they could not talk the language these terrorists and murderers were speaking, there women
and small children who were dying of hunger and thirst were thrown to the desert for dogs to eat them, ask how many kurds have been eaten by dogs of their desert, not all the 182000 who disappeared during 1988
are in mass graves, Kurdish satellite channels have programs showing these real witnesses and a large number of documents showing these brutalities to the world if the world wants to listen and see. If they stay in power and supported by Arabs the world will see the real terror as we have seen.
Have we occupied their land ? have we waged war against them? have we terrorised their prisoners? we were " Iraqi's"
why these criminals have not retaliated from Saddam for his crimes against Iraqi's? now they are doing what Iraqi's have not asked them to do in the name of Iraqi's. They should disappear if not the world will be the most dangerous place to live in as we have lived with these criminals for last 80 years since world war one.

Very Barbaric and brutal. But for these people this is very natural and normal, we know what these people are capable of, have you heared about (Nugrat Salman)prison, it is the symbol of brutality and kurdish genocide, Go to kurdistan and ask any one what Nugrat Salman means to you and listen to their stories,it is aplace in Arab desert were kurds have never seen and even they could not talk the language these terrorists and murderers were speaking, there women
and small children who were dying of hunger and thirst were thrown to the desert for dogs to eat them, ask how many kurds have been eaten by dogs of their desert, not allthe 182000 who disappeared during 1988
are in mass graves, Kurdish satellite channels have programs showing these real witnesses and a large number of documents showing these brutalities to the world if the world wants to listen and see. If they stay in power and supported by Arabs the world will see the real terror as we have seen.

May be this is new to Israilies,as part of their ongoing cospiracy theories, Arab nationalists used to call us "sons of zionists and imperialism and Americans", at a time when all the world were turning blind eyes to the genocide against kurds,and till this day they have not realised that kurds will not leave their rights, even if all the world are against them, they can not realise that oppressed people defend them, or they realise and know it very well but they decive their nations, and all the Arabic political establishments are the same without exception, if you understand their language as I do you will be surprised about the twists and manupilation they practice . Again you will be surprised of the amount of hatred they creat in their nation towards every other nation in the world except Arabs, so that they stay in power, and oppress people and creat more and more terrorists.

"Bring our troops back"
I imagin what happens when American troops leave Iraq. Imagin who will be celebrating the victory?The Islamic fundamentalists ,pan- arab nationalists, and the rest of these thugs who have been murdering Kurds and any other Iraqies who said no for last 40 years.
If the world has acted before all the genocides happened or at the time when Kurdistan gassed, and when Afganstan was left in chaose, Sept/11 may have been prevented.
Dear dreamers Islamic fundamentalism with them Arab nationalism with all their oil reserve wants to rule the world and establish an Islamic state in Mosko and Washington, so wake up dreamers, may be you need another september /11 to realise.
That time they will kill and torture and gass nation then deny that they have done it.
Do you imagin a very great number of Arabs till this day denies that kurds has been gassed and allof this is propaganda and the mass graves are made by computer by Americans. If I tell them my friend was gassed she was a doctor and I know personaly the people who dissappeared and anfalised( their word for the genocide operation of kurds), they will not apologise or say sorry they will tell you ok they deserve it why they did not obey Saddam.
That is the world arround you and I think is coming nearer and nearer to you.

I wander who are those you met. The history of Turks is one of barbarism since they migrated from Mongolia and invaded all these regions, now they claim as Turkey, Turks history in this region is less than 600 years ask them if they know from were is their origin even the founder of modern Turkey Ataturk was not a Turk.. Thanks god they were thrown out from Iraq and the rest of middle east. They came to the region as (mamalik) mean slaves of the Islamic sultans at that time then they betraid them and made their impior, which was called the (sick man) The history of Turks invading Europe is very fresh and recent, I do not know how any one can forget, armenian genocide,Yaziedies genocide & present Kurds genocide, or the state of human right in the supposedly circular democratic stast goverened by military generals . Those you met may be were not real Turks by race, they were those ethnicities in Turkey who were forced to change their ethnicity to stay alive.

I think the solution is easy.Those who are against the violence should leave, Who stay in Falluja from civilians are with the thugs. The point they are poor and can not afford to leave is not correct. They were the most previleged people who supported Saddam and they are the same criminals who were killing the rest of Iraqi people.
We left to the Iranian and Turkish border in April 1991, in the greatest mass migration and protest against Saddam, 3-4 million Kurds left all their homes jobs belongings going toward unknown to the hostile Passak soldjers on Iranian border and even the more hostile Turkish Genderma on the other border. All the children younger than one year died on the borders, as well as all old people who never returned to their homes, their graves are on the borders of Iran and Turkey. I am a paeidiatrician and lived on the border for two month in my car ( ordinary people had no cars)in the most harsh condition I have ever seen in my life but I was still happy to be free from Arab's oppression and was proud of my nation ( KURDs) for their bravery and freedom loving for which they were all ready to sacrifice every thing including their lives and the lives of their children. I was helping children and families who were in need to my help without knowing where were my family. I think these people in Falluja are families of those who are fighting and they are using their families as human shields, because they know very well that they can not govern Iraq any more that is why they decided to commit succide, as the time of accountability for their crimes has come.

There is no doubt about the role of Syria in what is hapening in Iraq. Why they could control the border when their Baathist brothers were in power?
The thugs who are fighting in Iraq are calling them selves Shek Yassin' brigade. on Aljazera channel. Iraqi's will never call themselves after this man.They need to be punished or they will continue their way of thinking and behaving. They are same as Saddam, look at the mass murder and imprisonment of kurds in Heleb and Qamishlo.

It is time that Us Policy makers realize that Majority of shia and sunna never believe in democracy. The Shia majority is hoping that with election they will come to power and then they will change the countrey to an I slamic state. They are under influence of Iran or their mentality is the same it doesn't matter the result will be the same. They refuse the Kurdish vision of A federal non islamic state. They can never change. Kurds cast worry eyes southward, in particular the events of last two weeks they are holding their breath and preparing for worse in particular they are now percieved as American friends. It proves that we can not live with these people and we can never trust them. Kurds started in Iraq as partner when Iraq was created, look what happened. The only hope is an independent Kurdistan who is under American protection for a long period UNTILL THEY CREAT THEIR STRONG ARMY and till these people will realise that other nations has right like they have and we do n't want to live in an Islamic state. They will develop a pro-Iranian Islamic state and we have to struggle for another 80 years. They will be worse than Saddam.Hope American policy makers realise this fact befor it is late.

It is not strange they are still on the air. Last year I have sent a complaint to the licensing body in UK complaining about Alarabia, Aljazira, and Abuthaby, three Arabic channels who after the Iraqi liberation where exitig violence in Iraq, and telling a lot of lies about Kurds. As we ( Kurds) understand their language we started a campaign so that these channels should adhere to professional standards without telling lies and encouraging violence and killing of any one in Iraq who does not have their mentality. Unfourtunatly the licensing body in UK, felt that these channels expresse the arabic world views and they have not found any irregularities, though they stated that Aljazera's license is from a french body, which I could not find. I think we have to start again a nother campaign as they only show the view of those people who are against the change in Iraq ang describes the rest as Traitors.

It is good that the American and the world is seeing the difference between Kurds and the rest of Iraq who do not believe or want democracy. Kurds sacrified with thier blood and ready to give all thier lifes for this freedom and democracy and look what the rest are doing. It is unfair to leave Kurds at the mercy of these butchers as we have done in the past, Iraq should be splitted, Kurds should have a separate state and the rest of Arab should decide to be one or two states.Any way that is what Kurds are asking for but USA policy is not accepting the fact that Kurds are historicly and culturaly totally different from Arabs, though a large number are muslims but no one believe in Islamic state and they never used terrorism in thier long struggle as Arabs and Palestenians are doing though America has betraied them so many times for the sake of thier old friends( Arab oil rich countries and Turkey). I think America should respect the will of Kurds or at least agree on what they ask for a REFFERENDUM ASKING KURDISH PEOPLE WHAT THEY WHANT, they have collected 2 million signitaures asking for a referrendum no body listened to them. That is thier right.Any nation has the right of self determination. I hope the American public can help and support this view.

Great. Well done American soldjers. It is a war between good and evil, between freedom and terrorism. All the allies of darkness in the middle east came together, Fashist sunnis, arab nationalists, Iranian terrorists, with thier fanatic friends. Sadrs army and other shia militias have made friends with Turkoman front (backed and funded by Turkish government), and much liked by thier Syrian friends and supported by Iran were terrorising Kurds in Kirkuk city for the last year. fighting against America and the changes they fear in the middle east. They want to establish the greater Islam Empior to role the world and and terrorise people. You have all the support of Kurdish nation in the four parts of kurdistan ( south , west , east and north). They should never succeed, or will be a disaster to the free world and what we kurds are fighting for for last centery. I am delighted as for the first time America stand really and in practice with real democracy and freedom.I was delighted to hear Mr Bushe's Speech yesterday. do not let axis of thieves and terrorists win.
It is a real time for Iraqies to decide either they are with tyranni, or freedom. They must say it loud, any one who can not say it loud do not deserve freedom, those groups who run and did not fight the gangs.
USA should test those groups and leaders in Iraq, it is the time to find out who pretends to be democratic and who is really freedom loving and want to sacrifice for thier freedom. There is no difference between saddam and his gang and sadr and his gang or other political parties who want to dominat and establish an Islamic state once they get to power. Don't let our sacrifices over years come to nothing.
ThankS again and was very great post. I was waiting for such a news over last week, still not sure that America will not leave or back down in face of pressure from media. Do not let Kurds down again. Now the world can see, these gangs who we have been forced to live with for a centrey. The brutality of killing those four American is the same brutlity of Saddams thugs who killed and terrorised kurds for over 40 years.
Hewar,