Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[Delphinium]

I don't doubt that you had a Bible.I know that Mormons include the Bible among the books they read. They are very different though. The point I was trying to make was that I never really heard about Jesus.I honestly never heard that Jesus died on the cross for me.I never heard that "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" I knew all about Joseph Smith, and his vision. Had a picture on my wall of it. It was when I was born again that I understood, and wanted to read the Bible.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again John 3.3-7

On another thread I answered Grid about you Mormons distancing yourself from the Journal of Discourses. He said there was a clear process to make new scripture, or doctrine. This was my answer, and a very important thing for you to pay attention too.

What is the clear process by which new doctrine and scripture is excepted into your religion? In the Christian faith there is no new doctrine, or scripture.We are warned many times in the Bible not to except any new, or different doctrine. Not to add to, or take from the Bible.We are being warned not to listen to even an angel from heaven, or Paul himself if he tried to change that Gospel. This is a very serious thing. Scriptures worth repeating:

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel, which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an ANGEL from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Galatians 1,6-9

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works@ Cor.11,13-15

No I am not trying to decieve. I honestly believe that what Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young and others taught is very relevant to your religion. How can you except this man made religion without excepting what the the very men that made it have to say about it. CRAZY!! You have to see through your own protest? You want to pick, and choose depending on how socially exceptable their teaching is today.

[CARepubGal]

Hope you feel better soon. Just remember this: LaDell LaDean LaVell LaVerl (Ok silly but so was the person who said this to mock some of the funny Utah names) :-)

[Illbay]

Whatever. I suspect that your comparing Jesus Christ to Baal will be brought up in your final interview with Him come judgement day.

Glad not to be in your shoes.

[Illbay]

If you "Christians" would stop pretending to be Christians, the problem would be solved forever.

[Illbay]

Do you ever pretend to be a Methodist? A Catholic? A Presbyterian?

[Illbay]

The questions are answered. The answers are ignored. They just like continuing to ask the questions.

Something about hearing themselves talk.

[drstevej]

***If you "Christians" would stop pretending to be Christians, the problem would be solved forever.***

So I have a choice of: [1] dropping dead - post #229; or [2] stop pretending to be what I am - post #284 ... and you will be a happy camper?

Have you ever considered the real problem might be itchy temple undergarments?

There is a product here in Lousiana that is great for rashes...

BOUDREAUX'S BUTT PASTE is indicated as a diaper rash ointment, but "It's not just for diaper rash anymore"

Abrasions, Heat Rashes, Poison Ivy, Acne, Hemorrhoids, Poison Oak, Chafed Skin, Incontinent Rashes, Psoriasis, Chapped Lips, Jock Itch, Razor Burn, Feminine Irritation, Minor Burns, Rectal Itching, Fever Blisters, Oral Lesions, Shingles, Mormon Whining.

[BibChr]

Responding in reverse....

Oh, you misunderstand: I totally leave it up to the Lord Jesus Christ! As a believer in Jesus, I read what He says, I believe it, I affirm it. I would be an arrogant fool to do otherwise.

And He Himself affirms OT teaching that Mormonism denies — that there is but one God, and He has no equal. And He says through the apostle Paul that anyone, angel or human, no matter how nice — and some of the nicest folks I know have been Mormons — who perverts the Gospel as Mormonism does will be damned.

For me to say other than that those who embrace the teachings of the charlatan Joseph Smith are still under God's damning sentence would be to be arrogant and disbelieving towards God, and indifferent and unloving towards my fellow men.

Secondly, as a Christian, I certainly do not believe that "others can just say 'I'm saved and believe in Jesus Christ' and all their sins are forgiven them, regardless of how they live after that." No Biblical Christian believes that! If it is a heresy to say that we are saved by works (as Mormons do), it is no less a heresy to say we are saved by words. The Bible is crystal-clear on that fact.

We are saved by grace alone through faith alone; and the faith through which we are saved never remains alone. It shows itself in works which are the result (and not the cause) of salvation (Galatians 5:6; Ephesians 2:8-10). Anything that denies either factor is a damning heresy, whether Mormonism or libertinistic antinomianism.

If you do not repent and believe in the true, living Jesus Christ, you will be damned for your sins. Sin includes refusing to do what God says, and refusing to believe what God says. In any of our case, if we do as you do, and trust to any degree to our works, we are lost. I would be no less than you.

Dan
How Can I Know God?

[BibChr]

I am so hurt! I want to be on your list! :-)

LOL! Keep trying, I'm sure there's room for you!

But just think of the agony of being #2!! So near, yet so far! They say the worst prize in a beauty contest is second place!

Dan

[BibChr]

Do you ever pretend to be a Methodist? A Catholic? A Presbyterian?

Are you a circus knife-thrower? You ought to be able to turn your skill at missing into something profitable.

In fact, I don't pretend to be a Roman Catholic any more than I pretend to be a Mormon, and for the same reason.

I affirm that I am a Christian as surely as any saved Methodist or Presbyterian, because we agree on the fundamental teachings of the Bible.

We don't deny and twist them, as Mormonism does.

It is only stupidity or dishonesty that would lead one to disgrace himself by suggesting that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination, like Presbyterianism or Methodism.

One God?

• Believing Presbyterians, Methodists = Yes!
• Believing Mormons = No!

Salvation by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone?

• Believing Presbyterians, Methodists = Yes!
• Believing Mormons = No!

Your cult forces you to embarrass yourself. Lose the date, lose the shame.

Dan

[drstevej]

I really think Dan (Bib Chr) needs consideration for first place on your "I wish they were all dead" list.

***Are you a circus knife-thrower? You ought to be able to turn your skill at missing into something profitable.***

You gotta admit, he has a way with words. I will switch places with him on the list if it is OK with you. Otherwise, he will just be incessant in seeking to out do me, and I know how hard that will be on you.

[BibChr]

You honor me, far beyond my accomplishments.

If elected, however, I will serve.

(c8

[drstevej]

I also think you have slighted Jean by leaving him off the gift list for a free copy of...

[CCWoody]

Evidently, the Mormons forget that CCWoody is still around.

[drstevej]

Illbay, now you've aroused CC Woody.

Don't think that was wise.

[Elsie]

Have I lived the way he taught in the New Testament? That is what counts.

UG, that sounds an awful lot like it depends on WHAT you are DOING will determine your fate, instead of what HE has ALREADY done.

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NIV John 4:37-39
 37.  Thus the saying `One sows and another reaps' is true.
 38.  I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor."
 39.  Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, "He told me everything I ever did."

 

NIV John 5:39-40
 39.  You diligently study  the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
 40.  yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

 

NIV John 6:27-29
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Simple!)

 

[Elsie]

Whatever.

Whatever!

This is the best you can come up with to a reasoned reply, Whatever?

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I'm not TOO worried!

KJV Matthew 12:31-32
31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

I would REALLY worry if I attributed something to the Holy Ghost, and it turned out not to be Him at all.

[Elsie]

Whatever. I suspect that your comparing Jesus Christ to Baal will be brought up in your final interview with Him come judgement day.

(you need to re-read MY #238 to see to what I was responding. I think you'll find that I did NOT compare Jesus to Baal.)

[CCWoody]

Actually, right now, I'm still quite busy with the pastors conference by day and the church conference at night. However, I'd be more than happy to see if I can get nominated for the "Mormon death wish list" just as soon as I'm done playing with the Pentecostal holy babblers (yes, there actually was a babbler) & Methodists & Baptists & Church of Christ & others.

[Illbay]

BibChr and other Bible-thumpers, translation by Illbay:

As a believer in Jesus, I read what He says several hundred years' worth of pseudo-Christian demagogues say that Christ said, I believe conform to it like a good little minion, I affirm it (so they won't hurt me). I would be an arrogant fool show some actual guts and fortitude to do otherwise--and I just don't got what it takes.