Posted on 07/14/2021 5:25:10 AM PDT by Cronos
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church believe in the Rapture?
Eastern Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholics and some mainline Protestants view the Rapture as heretical teaching of the Christian faith. It was not preached or believed prior to 1830 A.D. when John Nelson Darby individually proclaimed that his teaching is what the Bible says Christ will do when he comes again. Jesus, Paul, Peter, John or any of the writers of the Bible or Christian church fathers did not preach about the Rapture.
The Rapture teaches the four comings of Jesus — first, his birth in Bethlehem; second, his secret coming to snatch away (Rapture) the select few; third, his thousand-year reign; and fourth, the final judgment at the end of time. In the Bible, there are only two, not four, comings of Christ.
Passages of Scripture that allude to the event of the Rapture are in actuality referring to the second coming or final judgment of Christ. He will return a second time to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom will have no end.
The Rapture teaches that select born-again Christians will float into the clouds — no matter where they are or what they are doing — to meet the Lord in the clouds.
If they are driving, their passengers may die. If they are a pilot flying a plane, their passengers may most likely die in a plane crash. If they are a surgeon in the middle of surgery, the patient probably might die. If they are parents with young children and babies, who will take care of the abandoned children?
A better explanation of this heretical teaching can be viewed below
The pre-tribulation rapture is a 19th century made up philosophy, that’s why it wasn’t thought of before.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm
Here’s Futurism:
Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was a Jesuit doctor of theology, born in Spain, who began writing a lengthy commentary in 1585 on the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590. He died in 1591 at the age of fifty-four, so he was not able to expand on his work or write any other commentaries on Revelation. In order to remove the Catholic Church from consideration as the antichrist power, Ribera proposed that the first few chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest he limited to a yet future period of 3 1/2 literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy. Then, he proposed, the antichrist, a single individual, would:
Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God.
Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
Abolish the Christian religion.
Deny Jesus Christ.
Be received by the Jews.
Pretend to be God.
Kill the two witnesses of God.
Conquer the world.
So, according to Ribera, the 1260 days and 42 months and 3 1/2 times of prophecy were not 1260 years, but a literal 3 1/2 years, and therefore none of the book of Revelation had any application to the middle ages or the papacy, but to the future, to a period immediately prior to the second coming, hence the name Futurism. A 1591 edition, 1593 edition, and a 1603 edition of his commentary are now online.
(Then, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (and others), continued to push the futurism lie with his published work, here:)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the best known Jesuit apologists, published a work between 1581 and 1593 entitled Disputationum Roberti Bellarmini De controversiis Christian fidei adversus hujus temporis haereticos, (Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time), in which he also denied the day = year principle in prophecy and pushed the reign of antichrist into a future period of 3 1/2 literal years. (See Froom, Prophetic Faith, Vol. 2, pgs. 495 - 502).
Cronos, did all of this just slip your mind? It’s from your church.
THE PTR THEORY STARTED WITH CATHOLIC FUTURISM. THAT’S A FACT!
Your assessment is quite wrong ond only based on your opinion that ignores the well-established doctrine to which the Roman Catholics were blinded, as they are in many other doctrinal matters for lack of spiritual discernment of many truths found in the Word of God.
Holly Deyo is spiritually blind. Unlike Cronos I did read her work and I previously commented on it. Remember?
Well awrighty then. Everyone loves a good “I’m right and you’re wrong” debate. You just left out the part about what I am wrong about. I literally copied the dictionary definition of “rapture” and printed it without theological pronouncement. If you want to argue with a thesaurus, go ahead. I can only surmise with your superior cranial properties that you can read my mind and you just “know” I’m wrong.
Obviously because it was coined in the English language, not yet written. But Moses, an Egyptian-schooled Jew, under God's direction used the same kind of word describing the Trinity, and the Hebrew word for it was "Jehovah Elohim," as implemented by Jesus just prior to His Ascension. He ordained the Apostles, His heralds of the Gospel, to baptized professing loyal believers "in the Name . . . "--not names--". . . of the Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit" as found in Matthew 28:19.
To say otherwise is the height of deliberate ignorance and lack of assiduous study of the Bible.
In my post 78 I mentioned tribulation saints and the everlasting gospel. To be clear, there is actually more. The tribulation is a time when Jews come to recognize Jesus as their savior. During this time, acceptance of Jesus Christ and some measure of works (Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12) is a requirement as is obeying the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6-7).
No, he kept them because he loved God.
Perhaps when he was among Jews.
No, not just when he was with Jews. That would be hypocritical. That was the very thing he upbraided Peter over, remember? There is a verse in the Bible. An important verse. It reads “If you love Me, keep My Commandments”. It’s in there I guarantee it. You can find it too if want to bad enough.
Greek The Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagēsometha), which means "we shall be caught up" or "taken away". The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[14] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39, 2 Corinthians 12:2–4, and Revelation 12:5.
Latin The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur[15] meaning "we are caught up" or "we are taken away" from the Latin verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away".[16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
Ask any Jew about the purpose of the Scapegoat. You might find some correlation. Fun is optional.
You should know that reading the books is not the same as believing the actual words. It amazes me that some will hang on every word of a 2000 page catechism but not bother with the 1000 page book where God speaks.
Of course, even that number wasn't found and Lot, Abraham's nephew and his family would be spared and they were hurried out of the city by the two angels the Lord sent right before He rained down sulfur and brimstone and annihilated the city and all the inhabitants. But what struck me was that God would NOT treat the righteous the same way as the wicked. He would not kill the righteous with the wicked. The Tribulation will be such a time where God's righteous, holy wrath is brought down upon the evil, God-hating world and God will have removed His elect, His righteous ones before then. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Yes, He shall.
The Angel told Lot that he (the angel) could do nothing until Lot was outta there (in Zoar). God withheld the flood until Noah was sealed in the Ark. 2 Thess 2:3 is where we find our removal: apostasia is apos-away from + a form of histemi-to stand. Thus Paul indicates the redeemed will be made to stand away from where the man of sin will burst forth. And in chaopter five of the Revelation we see ourselves - the redeemed - in Heaven when the Lamb opens the first seal of the wrath of the Lamb seven sealed scroll.
Maranatha
Orthodox have been suffering for their faith a lot longer than spoiled American Evangelicals.
Even at the hands of the Catholics in the Baltic countries.
You’re missing the point.
The Bible has been around for thousands of years.
It was only in the 1800s or so that a bunch of the stuff about the Rapture was, hmmm, call it explicitly formulated in something like its present form.
The funny part is, the Americans who believe it got high on their own supply and proclaimed they were returning to the TRUE Christianity™ to the point they believed they were the only real Christians, and those who followed an unbroken set of teachings dating back to Apostolic times didn’t really follow Christianity.
I must admit I’m not as impressed by that attitude as I used to be.
Let's leave the LBGTQWXAN... talking points for another thread,
of words in this thread so far...
and a few of them from the bible.
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