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Was "the plan" to expel God from the Garden of Eden (Bible Thumper caucus)
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Posted on 06/16/2021 4:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

After all, Satan's bait was that Adam and Eve would become as gods. And together with Satan, that would seem to them to be at least two or possibly three gods (if Satan was believed to be a god as well) against one.


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To: BipolarBob
Eve was seduced by the color and aroma of the fruit and the words of Satan...


Genesis 3:6 ESV
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.


Sorry - no mention of 'color' or 'aroma'.

81 posted on 06/17/2021 4:28:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1

How goat-like


82 posted on 06/17/2021 4:29:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

A good summation of what happened.


83 posted on 06/17/2021 4:33:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
However, "want" can by someone denotes need, and God needs nothing,

Good point! "Want" is not a very good word but I'm hard pressed to think of the right word. "Desires" also implies needs. I suppose the best I can come up with is God yearns (intense longing) to have fellowship with us.

This is rather interesting as the right word seems to be difficult to find.

84 posted on 06/17/2021 4:34:19 AM PDT by HarleyD (Dr E-"There are very few shades of grey.")
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To: Seven_0
(You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)

'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.'
-- Mark Twain

85 posted on 06/17/2021 4:37:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

...except for the unknown sins.


86 posted on 06/17/2021 4:38:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Where are you getting twelve trees from?


87 posted on 06/17/2021 4:42:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Faith Presses On
... that would seem to them to be at least two or possibly three gods ...

WOW!

Mormonism started a LOT earlier than I thought!

88 posted on 06/17/2021 4:45:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; Faith Presses On; Olog-hai; mikeus_maximus; Jonty30; ckilmer
As explained, from the beginning (Is. 14:13,14) it was and is about power.
89 posted on 06/17/2021 4:47:55 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Faith Presses On
"It should be clear that “the plan” wasn’t referring to God’s, but what Satan and possibly Adam and Eve came up with, an unholy plan to expel God from the Garden so as to live there by themselves and do as they please. But instead, they were expelled."

Where do you come up with this nonsense? There simply was no conspiratorial plan by Adam and Eve for living the garden by themselves and do as they please (which they already could do, save for just one thing) and the enticement was clear, that of being like God, who the lying serpent said, knew would result from eating the forbidden fruit, thereby in-sin-uating that God was unjustly, selfishly preventing them from being as Him, and whose position was what the devil originally selfishly lusted after and presumed, resulting in his abasement. Which, as explained, exampled the original "Occupy movement" and "Share the wealth" demand which proxy servants of the devil use today.

90 posted on 06/17/2021 4:48:02 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: deks; FatherofFive; Roman_War_Criminal; Dr. Sivana; bigbob
"Free Republic is primarily a place to discuss news, articles, and editorials. Vanity posts, creations of the poster him or herself, should meet a high standard of quality before one is even considered worthy of posting. Often a relevant current thread or general announcement, catch-all thread is a much better choice for a brief question or comment." Actually FR is a forum, a facility to meet for open discussion, and is what the owner formats and describes it to be, a forum which has a religion section (which this thread is part of) with special (and wise and judicious) moderation, which as a conservative site is "pro-God, pro-life, pro-family...," "The one and only true Judeo-Christian God as taught to us by KJV with no additional editing or books of fiction" [context being versus Mormonism], that "stands for God, family, country. We generally look to Judeo-Christian* guidance on issues of law, morality, justice, freedom, life, family and civil society...If you believe in the Bible (Old and New Testaments) and the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, etc, then you believe in our one true Judeo-Christian God. We take the Bible, the Declaration, the Constitution and our Christian founding and heritage seriously, though we are sometimes backsliders."

Thus a speculative thread which on a basic subject, and which is foundational to the conservative culture war we are dealing with, is entirely fitting. If you reject this Biblical foundation and or do not care to read such, no one is forcing you, while those who carelessly just post the first 3 sentences to a linked article when they could post 300 words of the meat of it, including blog pimps, are the ones you could chastise, as i mildly have.

91 posted on 06/17/2021 4:49:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

https://www.yourdictionary.com/caprine


92 posted on 06/17/2021 4:49:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212; wita
...and the enticement was clear, that of being like God,...

Sounds like the Mission Statement of a certain American based religion.


  We could become like Him, an exalted being.
 
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng
 
 
  • What is exaltation?

Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.

If we prove faithful to the Lord, we will live in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom of heaven. We will become exalted, to live with our Heavenly Father in eternal families. Exaltation is the greatest gift that Heavenly Father can give His children (see D&C 14:7).

 
 
2. They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23).

93 posted on 06/17/2021 4:58:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD
"Good point! "Want" is not a very good word but I'm hard pressed to think of the right word. "Desires" also implies needs. I suppose the best I can come up with is God yearns (intense longing) to have fellowship with us. "

Again, it would be God yearns for man to have fellowship with Him who needs nothing. If God needed anything He would be God. Contrary to what so many imagine, God is not described as needing man, and contrary to what anti-theists assert, God has no ego that needs man to worship Him. The command to do so is simply because worshiping a omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent constantly giving, benevolent, just yet merciful and gracious morally perfect Being is what is right and to the benefit of man, while all other gods are created and will fail and often mislead man.

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; (Acts 17:24-25)

Why do you think of my imperfect poem: http://peacebyjesus.net/CREATION2CONSUMATION-POEM.pdf

94 posted on 06/17/2021 5:01:21 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Elsie; BipolarBob
"Eve was seduced by the color and aroma of the fruit and the words of Satan...


Genesis 3:6 ESV
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.


Sorry - no mention of 'color' or 'aroma'."ray">Eve was seduced by the color and aroma of the fruit and the words of Satan...

True, and note that as representing "all that is in the world," (1 John 2:16) the woman saw that the tree was good for food" = "the lust of the flesh;" (1 John 2:16) cf. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. (Matthew 4:3)

"the lust of the eyes," (1 John 2:16) cf. "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." (Matthew 4:8-9)

"the pride of life," (1 John 2:16) cf. "And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." (Matthew 4:6)

The second Adam from above, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin: (Hebrews 4:15) passed all 3 tests of the basic temptation man faces, thanks be to God.

95 posted on 06/17/2021 5:12:21 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: metmom

the bible does not say Adam was right next to Eve.
The Bible does not say Adam had authority over all creation. Gen 1:28 subdue the earth Gen 2:15 keep the garden of Eden. You are reading more into the Bible then it says.


96 posted on 06/17/2021 6:04:19 AM PDT by jimfr
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To: Elsie
Sorry - no mention of 'color' or 'aroma'.

No, there isn't but it is logical to assume that Satan used every device to appeal to the senses. This was a big prize for him and he would stop at nothing to win it.

97 posted on 06/17/2021 6:23:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Who is John Galt and is he vaccinated?)
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To: Faith Presses On

They didn’t like, perhaps, their subordinate position as His creatures.

As the “mother of all living” you might want to give both Eve and Adam a bit more respect. They were well aware of what was going on in the Garden and their ability to deal with it. All part of the plan from the beginning.


98 posted on 06/17/2021 6:34:02 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: Olog-hai

Yes, the liberals are following their master all right, that being the god of this world.

Makes sense. The Communist doctrine denying God, and especially the need for a Savior to rescue humanity from it’s lost and fallen state.


99 posted on 06/17/2021 6:40:45 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: Elsie; central_va
You had to look it up, Els, didn't you? This is what I meant:



1971 Chevrolet Caprice 2-door Coupe

I once knew an old goat that owned both of those vehicles at the same time. That was the year that I had a 1981 Honda Accord.

100 posted on 06/17/2021 6:43:11 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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