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Was "the plan" to expel God from the Garden of Eden (Bible Thumper caucus)
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Posted on 06/16/2021 4:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

After all, Satan's bait was that Adam and Eve would become as gods. And together with Satan, that would seem to them to be at least two or possibly three gods (if Satan was believed to be a god as well) against one.


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To: Faith Presses On
Yes, true. But I wonder if Adam and Eve thought, if they became as gods, as Satan told them they would, then they’d have the power to get rid of God. Then they would rule.

Adam was not deceived.
1 Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

61 posted on 06/16/2021 8:24:01 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Faith Presses On
Humanity was expelled from the Garden, though, and became subject to death

Adam was always subject to death. Immortality cannot be tempory.
62 posted on 06/16/2021 8:28:19 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Faith Presses On

I fully expect to see Adam and Eve in heaven. We know they taught their children Cain and Able to bring gifts to God at appointed times and also that Seth was a Godly man. From Adam on there has been a line of Godly humans.
When Christ Jesus arose victorious from the grave He was triumphant over death and Satan for all time.
We were chosen in Christ before the foundations of the world were put in place. God is in control and has been from the beginning. We may not understand why Satan has been dealt with as he has but it is all in the plan and purpose of God.


63 posted on 06/16/2021 8:35:07 PM PDT by Cottonpatch
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To: Seven_0

You mkae an essential point. Ponder the following, if you will: God’s Spirit IS eternal life.. In Adam the Spirit of God was upon Adam and Eve, like a shawl, not in their spirit but upon their spirits. With the fall of mankind, the Spirit left the spirit presence in the first family. BUT GOD had a plan to put His Spirit IN the spirit of whomever of Adam’s descendants would ask for deliverance from the sin nature they inherited from Adam the progenitor. The human spirit that has His seed ABIDING in it (1 John 3:9) is alive forever more because it is God Who is in them, in their once dedness residing spirit.


64 posted on 06/16/2021 8:51:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: metmom
God never told them they couldn’t touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He only said not to eat of it.

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
The desire to eat the fruit was sufficient to reveal the condition of their hearts. Eating the fruit simply opened their eyes. God asked them "who told thee that thou wast naked?"
65 posted on 06/16/2021 9:13:58 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0

Sin is always conceived in the heart before being given birth in the actions.


66 posted on 06/16/2021 10:01:50 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: ResponseAbility
"But I think these may be some key references as to why satan wanted Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit."

That was already explained. The devil from the beginning lusted after power. He became the "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4) who could offer Christ all its kingdoms (Matthew 4:8,9) because he seduced the steward of this world to sin, as the original liberal employing the victim-entitlement deception on Eve to persuade her to believe she was the victim of injustice, and of a lie, thus her disobedience to God was warranted and would obtain for her that which was rightfully hers from God, who was obligated to "share the wealth." Eve "voted," induced Adan to do the same, and "elected" the devil to power. But resulting in a cursed serpent and world and a lesson on testing and deception which we still fail to heed.

"Therefore why the restriction on the one fruit of twelve in the garden after the other eleven had already been eaten? Why were the rest of the trees removed from Adam and Eve?"

Where are you getting twelve trees from?

"Maybe, and this is a BIG maybe, the one fruit is a catalyst that once was initialized must be followed up by diligent regard for the order and manner in which the rest of the fruits are to follow. If so, maybe we as a planet are being guided on eventually how to reach the stars, irregardless if there are other beings out there."

You are a subject of esoterically delusion if you think this is about reaching the stars by eating of 12 trees. Penitent repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus, thus receiving His word which is "milk" and "meat," is what results in "reach the stars," meaning being with the Son forever. Christ is the tree of life. Glory to God.

67 posted on 06/17/2021 3:26:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Seven_0; metmom
"The desire to eat the fruit was sufficient to reveal the condition of their hearts. Eating the fruit simply opened their eyes."

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:14-15)

68 posted on 06/17/2021 3:28:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Seven_0
"Adam was always subject to death. Immortality cannot be tempory. "

Death was introduced, not being inevitable unless man sinned:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5:12)

For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) (Romans 5:17)

69 posted on 06/17/2021 3:36:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: HarleyD
" The great love of God is to want to have fellowship with His creation."

However, "want" can by someone denotes need, and God needs nothing, (Acts 17:25) but in benevolence He wants the crown of His creation to realize fellowship with Him, and reflect Him.

70 posted on 06/17/2021 3:48:25 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: MHGinTN
"In Adam the Spirit of God was upon Adam and Eve, like a shawl, not in their spirit but upon their spirits"

Are you saying OT believers did not have the Spirit of God in them?

71 posted on 06/17/2021 3:55:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Faith Presses On

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73 posted on 06/17/2021 4:05:51 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

You have been reported to FR’s Department of Redundancy Department.


74 posted on 06/17/2021 4:11:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Sivana
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AMEN!

75 posted on 06/17/2021 4:12:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
But I haven’t found one example of a female angel in the Bible.
Demons might be different.

Hell hath no like a woman scorned.


76 posted on 06/17/2021 4:15:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
1. They are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (Genesis 6), who were offspring of Fallen Angels and Human Women.

Theory not supported by Bible.


 
 

Genesis 6:1-8

When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.


It does NOT say the GIANTs  mated with the Humans; it merely says they were on the earth.

???

So; just WHO are the sons of God and the daughters of humans???

 

The BOOK says: Let Us create Man in Our image.   So there you get some 'sons of God'; right??

The BOOK also says, in Genesis 5:3-4

 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

 

These things happened BEFORE Genesis chapter 6....

 

 


77 posted on 06/17/2021 4:19:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Faith Presses On; wita
“The plan” was referring to Satan’s...

In Mormonism, SATAN had a 'plan' as well:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/03/satans-rebellion?lang=eng
 
https://thirdhour.org/blog/faith/what-is-satans-plan/
 
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lds+satans+plan&ia=web&iai=r1-1&page=1&sexp=%7B%22biaexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22msvrtexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22mliexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22langexp%22%3A%22a%22%7D

78 posted on 06/17/2021 4:24:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BipolarBob

Amen!


79 posted on 06/17/2021 4:24:34 AM PDT by HarleyD (Dr E-"There are very few shades of grey.")
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To: fso301

A good suggestion for ALL of us!


80 posted on 06/17/2021 4:25:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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