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A Plot Hole In The Early Christian Church
2/25/2021 | GardenerForLife

Posted on 02/25/2021 8:31:53 PM PST by GardenerForLife

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All of Christianity shares in this, so it's not pointing fingers. It's our collective history.
1 posted on 02/25/2021 8:31:53 PM PST by GardenerForLife
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To: GardenerForLife

There’s nothing in the Bible to suggest that there was going to be a succession of “apostles” after the twelve died. And certainly no Pope either.


2 posted on 02/25/2021 8:35:08 PM PST by BipolarBob (Biden/Harris - the regime our Founding fathers warned us about.)
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To: GardenerForLife
'In conclusion, I think all of Christianity needs to abandon their priests and preachers and start giving some effort into finding these promised prophets.'

I think people should just be left alone, to find their own way and believe as they believe.

People of Faith aren't stupid. They've mostly found what works for them; and if they haven't, they are actively searching for it - largely without needing outside help.
3 posted on 02/25/2021 8:48:47 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: GardenerForLife

“I’m...”

“I’m...”

“...my...”

No one cares about your ego.


4 posted on 02/25/2021 8:56:17 PM PST by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: GardenerForLife
It runs much deeper than this. First century Christianity is almost wholly different in major ways from "modern" Christianity. First century Christians, biblical Christians, observed God's holy days that are listed in Leviticus 23. Modern Christianity tries explain this away by citing out of context verses in the new testament.

Sunday was never sanctioned by God. It was totally man made. Same with Christmas and Easter. Even the modern trinity doctrine wasn't "official" until more than 3 centuries after Christ died...which means Christ and the apostles didn't know it, teach it, or believe it.

5 posted on 02/25/2021 8:57:03 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: GardenerForLife

“However, the Apostle John was still on the earth and talking to the risen Lord face to face during this time.”

What’s the scriptural basis for this claim? Is the writer assuming, as Revelation itself doesn’t AFAIK claim, that it was written by the apostle John?


6 posted on 02/25/2021 9:02:43 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC

“First century Christians, biblical Christians, observed God’s holy days that are listed in Leviticus 23.”

Even gentile converts? Evidence?


7 posted on 02/25/2021 9:04:17 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: GardenerForLife

A pilot hole ?


8 posted on 02/25/2021 9:18:58 PM PST by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Swamp express to communist hell !! )
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To: GardenerForLife

Linus being the second appointed after Peter is based on Irenaeus and some question if Irenaeus’ Apostolic Tradition is or was accurate.

The generally touted Catholic position about that Linus being the second pope and that he was ordained by Peter, is based, to a great degree, upon the writings of Irenaeus of Lyon.

“One Catholic scholar and priest noted:

Very little is known about Linus. St. Irenaeus of Lyons (d. 200) and the historian Eusebius of Caesarea (d. ca. 339) identified him with the companion of Paul who sent greetings from Rome to Timothy in Ephesus (2 Timothy 4:21), but Scripture Scholars are generally hesistant to do so...It should be remembered that contrary to pious Catholic belief—that monoarchical episcopal structure of church governance (also known as the monarchical episcopate, in which each diocese was headed by a single bishop) still did not exist in Rome at this time (McBrien, Richard P. Lives of the Popes: The Pontiffs from St. Peter to Benedict XVI. Harper, San Francisco, 2005 updated ed., pp. 33-34)”.

There is more and I will leave the link:

https://www.cogwriter.com/linus.htm


9 posted on 02/25/2021 9:25:40 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: DouglasKC
Even the modern trinity doctrine wasn't "official" until more than 3 centuries after Christ died...which means Christ and the apostles didn't know it, teach it, or believe it.

Non sequitur. Whenever it became "official" has absolutely nothing to do with whether Christ and the apostles knew it.

10 posted on 02/25/2021 9:30:51 PM PST by lasereye
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To: NobleFree
“First century Christians, biblical Christians, observed God’s holy days that are listed in Leviticus 23.” Even gentile converts? Evidence?

Yep. Paul told them to.

The church in Corinth was composed of probably MOSTLY gentiles.

1Co 12:2  You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 

And yet...

1Co 5:7  Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 
1Co 5:8  Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 

Paul uses terms and concepts about Passover and the days of unleavened bread that they would not understand unless they were already keeping the feast. And by the way that word translated "keep the feast" means just that...observe one of God's holy days.

11 posted on 02/25/2021 9:44:02 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: GardenerForLife

“I think all of Christianity needs to abandon their priests and preachers”

Ummm...okay. : /


12 posted on 02/25/2021 9:44:53 PM PST by bluejean (Living one day at a time in the national psych ward.)
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To: lasereye
Even the modern trinity doctrine wasn't "official" until more than 3 centuries after Christ died...which means Christ and the apostles didn't know it, teach it, or believe it. Non sequitur. Whenever it became "official" has absolutely nothing to do with whether Christ and the apostles knew it.

The nature of God is a pretty big deal. The fact that Christ didn't teach the trinity telling...it wasn't discussed, it wasn't thought of, it wasn't a thing. They KNEW the nature of God and it didn't look at all like the trinity of today.

13 posted on 02/25/2021 9:45:41 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Disagree scripture makes the trinity clear.

To assume that the early church was in the dark is an assumption.


14 posted on 02/25/2021 9:52:58 PM PST by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen )
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To: ifinnegan; GardenerForLife
No ego in GFL's questions. Just a great desire to know the truth and work it out in Church history.

If the presence of 'I' in a text was an indication of egoism, then your screen name doubly convicts you.

15 posted on 02/25/2021 10:09:55 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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To: bluejean; GardenerForLife

If we’re getting rid of humans who may have led us astray from the True Faith, then let us please do away with all of the publishers, printers, translators, Bible scholars, etc. who most likely have provided us with less than perfect renditions of the teachings of Christ.


16 posted on 02/25/2021 10:11:58 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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To: DouglasKC

So it’s a binity?


17 posted on 02/25/2021 10:15:12 PM PST by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: DouglasKC
I've heard of Christians arguing about which day should be treated as the Sabbath (Saturday or Sunday) but this is the first I've heard of someone not believing in a Sabbath at all.

(Oh, and if you're counting ifinnigan, I will have used variants on 'I' five times in this reply. I am such an egoist!)

18 posted on 02/25/2021 10:15:35 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Ignatius.


19 posted on 02/25/2021 10:15:43 PM PST by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan
If that's your first name, then cool.

Did your school chums call you 'Iggy' or 'Nate'?

20 posted on 02/25/2021 10:17:59 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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