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To: GardenerForLife
It runs much deeper than this. First century Christianity is almost wholly different in major ways from "modern" Christianity. First century Christians, biblical Christians, observed God's holy days that are listed in Leviticus 23. Modern Christianity tries explain this away by citing out of context verses in the new testament.

Sunday was never sanctioned by God. It was totally man made. Same with Christmas and Easter. Even the modern trinity doctrine wasn't "official" until more than 3 centuries after Christ died...which means Christ and the apostles didn't know it, teach it, or believe it.

5 posted on 02/25/2021 8:57:03 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

“First century Christians, biblical Christians, observed God’s holy days that are listed in Leviticus 23.”

Even gentile converts? Evidence?


7 posted on 02/25/2021 9:04:17 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC
Even the modern trinity doctrine wasn't "official" until more than 3 centuries after Christ died...which means Christ and the apostles didn't know it, teach it, or believe it.

Non sequitur. Whenever it became "official" has absolutely nothing to do with whether Christ and the apostles knew it.

10 posted on 02/25/2021 9:30:51 PM PST by lasereye
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To: DouglasKC
I've heard of Christians arguing about which day should be treated as the Sabbath (Saturday or Sunday) but this is the first I've heard of someone not believing in a Sabbath at all.

(Oh, and if you're counting ifinnigan, I will have used variants on 'I' five times in this reply. I am such an egoist!)

18 posted on 02/25/2021 10:15:35 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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To: DouglasKC

Adventist?

CC


23 posted on 02/25/2021 10:52:03 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: DouglasKC
Sunday was never sanctioned by God.

The Pharisees posed questions about the strictness of the sabbath day to Jesus. And Jesus' response was very common sense in nature.

Mark 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:


Meaning, the sabbath day is just a day. One day in seven to rest. Which day is it...well read Mark 2 again.
41 posted on 02/26/2021 8:42:32 AM PST by GardenerForLife
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To: DouglasKC

First century Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, competing with other Jewish sects like the Pharisees and Essenes.

When the temple was destroyed in 70 AD only two sects survived, and both did so as they had rituals separate from the temple.

These two sects were

1. The Jesus is messiah movement. They called themselves followers of “the way”

2. Pharisees who created a new religion, Rabbinical Judaism in 70 ad at the council of Jamnia.


64 posted on 02/26/2021 1:13:37 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DouglasKC

First century Christians did not all observe the leviticus holy days and after the Jerusalem council they stopped that.

“Biblical Christians “? When the books of the Bible were only completed by 84 AD with the last book, the gospel of John. And the biblical canon was compiled in the 2nd century.


65 posted on 02/26/2021 1:13:55 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DouglasKC

The 7th day is Sabbath — Sabbath was never changed to Sunday.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

Sabbath is the day of worship for the Jews.

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath; He brought the New covenant.

That’s why the apostles gathered and worshipped the risen Christ on the day that Christ rose - on Niedziela, dominicus.

In Latin the first day of the week is Dominicus - “the Lord’s Day” and in Polish it’s niedziela = the day of sharing and in Russian it is Воскресенье = resurrection day. You do realize that modern English is quite a few language, right?

An early example of Christians meeting together on a Sunday for the purpose of “breaking bread” and preaching is cited in the New Testament book of Acts (Acts 20:7)

7On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight

2nd-century writers such as Justin Martyr attest to the widespread practice of Sunday worship (First Apology, chapter 67

The term “Lord’s” appears in The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles or Didache, a document dated between 70 and 120. Didache 14:1a “But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving”

Around 170 AD, Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth, wrote to the Roman Church, “Today we have kept the Lord’s holy day (kyriake hagia hemera), on which we have read your letter.” In the latter half of the 2nd century, the apocryphal Acts of Peter identify Dies Domini (Latin for “Lord’s Day”) as “the next day after the Sabbath,” i.e., Sunday. From the same period of time, the Acts of Paul present St. Paul praying “on the Sabbath as the Lord’s Day (kyriake) drew near.”


66 posted on 02/26/2021 1:25:08 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DouglasKC

Easter is the English word.

Call it by the proper name Pascha or Passover.

Pascha has been celebrated since the mid 1st century.

Melito of Sardas wrote about it https://web.archive.org/web/20070312203732/http://www.kerux.com/documents/KeruxV4N1A1.asp

On the Passover

MELITO OF SARDIS

Introduction (1-10)

1. First of all, the Scripture about the Hebrew Exodus has been read and the words of the mystery have been explained as to how the sheep was sacrificed and the people were saved.

2. Therefore, understand this, O beloved: The mystery of the passover is new and old, eternal and temporal, corruptible and incorruptible, mortal and immortal in this fashion:

3. It is old insofar as it concerns the law, but new insofar as it concerns the gospel; temporal insofar as it concerns the type, eternal because of grace; corruptible because of the sacrifice of the sheep, incorruptible because of the life of the Lord; mortal because of his burial in the earth, immortal because of his resurrection from the dead.

4. The law is old, but the gospel is new; the type was for a time, but grace is forever. The sheep was corruptible, but the Lord is incorruptible, who was crushed as a lamb, but who was resurrected as God. For although he was led to sacrifice as a sheep, yet he was not a sheep; and although he was as a lamb without voice, yet indeed he was not a lamb. The one was the model; the other was found to be the finished product.

5. For God replaced the lamb, and a man the sheep; but in the man was Christ, who contains all things.

6. Hence, the sacrifice of the sheep, and the sending of the lamb to slaughter, and the writing of the law–each led to and issued in Christ, for whose sake everything happened in the ancient law, and even more so in the new gospel.

7. For indeed the law issued in the gospel–the old in the new, both coming forth together from Zion and Jerusalem; and the commandment issued in grace, and the type in the finished product, and the lamb in the Son, and the sheep in a man, and the man in God.

8. For the one who was born as Son, and led to slaughter as a lamb, and sacrificed as a sheep, and buried as a man, rose up from the dead as God, since he is by nature both God and man.

9. He is everything: in that he judges he is law, in that he teaches he is gospel, in that he saves he is grace, in that he begets he is Father, in that he is begotten he is Son, in that he suffers he is sheep, in that he is buried he is man, in that he comes to life again he is God.

10. Such is Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever. Amen.


67 posted on 02/26/2021 1:28:45 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DouglasKC

The doctrine of the Trinity was taught by christ who tells his apostles to baptize people in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit.

The trinity isn’t a modern concept. We see it right from Genesis.

In the 4th century the debate was how the Trinity was ordered


68 posted on 02/26/2021 1:31:24 PM PST by Cronos
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To: DouglasKC

The JEWISH Christians were to continue to observe feast days, etc. Gentile Christians had only to refrain from things strangled, the eating of blood, food offered to idols, and fornication. See Acts chapter 15. (Of course, the two commandments given by Jesus was to be observed by all).


78 posted on 02/26/2021 3:23:03 PM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing);)
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To: DouglasKC

Though the word, “trinity” was not used, the truth of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, runs from Genesis to Revelation.


79 posted on 02/26/2021 3:25:35 PM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing);)
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To: DouglasKC
From the first century Christians came to understand that Jesus freed us from the literal bondage of the Levitical law, they kept the Sabbath as a day of rest, while observing Sunday, the first day of the week, as the day to meet together in mutual upbuilding of their faith. Their tradition of meeting together on the first day, was apparently in commemoration of the fact that Jesus arose on the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 advises Believers to use the first day of the week, when they were gathered together anyway, to take up a collection to help Christians who were in financial distress. (Collections were not taken up to support a physical building where people met; they met in people’s homes.) Acts 20:7 mentions the Believers, again gathered together on a Sunday

>Matthew 28:1: "Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."

Mark 16:2: "Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen."

Acts 20:7: "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight."

I Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper that there be no collections when I come."

Remember Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." and

"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God," (Rom. 14:5-6).
and
"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col. 2:16-17).
A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to act as your judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as the mere shadow of what is to come (Jesus), the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath. This is in reference to Isaiah 1:13 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

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Besides "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight," (Acts 20:7).
The people of Christ met originally in the evening pf the Roman midnight-to-midnight day of which the time before sundown was still Sabbath. To the Jew, the evening was the beginning of the sundown-to-sundown first day of the week.

"And upon the first dayof the weekσαββατων (sabbaton), when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight" (Acts 20:7 AV).

For at least 30 years after the resurrection/ascension of Jesus (Pentecost was on the first day of the week, likewise) the disciples met in the evening of the day of which the daylight was still Jewish Sabbath, thereby not violating Jewish sensitivities.

"Upon the first day of the weekσαββατων let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Cor. 16:2 AV).

The Corinthians were commanded by Paul to meet on the first of the week and have their tithes ready to be gathered each week.

The whole week is a heptad, a bundle of seven, a week of days, a "sabbath" of days, wherein the last day for Jews was set aside for rest from work. But the evenin of that last day is the first day of a new sabbath of days, hence it is also a (new) sabbath.

If you are a sabbatarian, avvording to the law you must stay at home, go no place, and do no woek. But also if you wish to thus come inder the Law, you must obey the law, all of it, without fail.?

   

88 posted on 02/27/2021 2:49:02 AM PST by Cronos
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