Signs in the Sky, Earth, and Sea?

Unsealed ^ | 8/4/2020 | Gary

[amessenger4god]

And there will be signs in sun, and moon, and stars, and on the earth distress of nations with perplexity, sea and wave roaring... (Lk. 21:25, LSV)

We've often discussed the signs in the heavens and the signs on the earth, but it looks like God is even speaking through the sea.  And no doubt, for the Scriptures say:

...because all things were created in Him, those in the heavens, and those on the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him... (Col. 1:16, LSV)

And,

...and He answering said to them, “I say to you that if these will be silent, the stones will cry out!” (Lk. 19:40, LSV)

Let's revisit that first Scripture passage I cited: Luke 21:25.  We see a threefold witness of signs pointing to the end of the age and the return of Christ.

The first witness includes signs in the sun, moon, and stars, and indeed God created these astronomical objects for this very purpose according to Genesis 1:14, though few acknowledge the practical significance of this.  In the 19th psalm David proclaims that God is speaking through the sky continually, both day and night.  Very few are listening.

The second witness is the signs on the earth.  Think the regathering of Jews, rebirth of Israel, conquest of Jerusalem, preparation for the Third Temple, and the rapid movement toward global governance.

The third and final witness listed in Luke 21:25 is signs in the sea.  Perhaps we haven't given this enough of our attention.  Surely every word of God is worth our focus.

Let's take a look at these signs in the sea, but first a quick review of the signs in the heavens and signs on the earth.

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Signs in the Heavens

There have been signs in the heavens from the beginning of time, just as Genesis 1:14 and Psalm 19:1–4 indicate.  The sign of Genesis 3:15–16 may have appeared in the sky on July 28th of 3974 BC as I wrote about in my recent article Turning Point 2020.  Then of course the Star of Bethlehem sign appeared around the time of Christ's birth and infancy, likely in the years 3–2 BC.  In the days of Joshua the sun and moon both stood still (Josh. 10:12–13), and in the days of King Hezekiah the sun went backwards (Isa. 38:5–8).  Extra-biblical sources even indicate a heavenly sign appeared at the birth of Abraham (source).  These heavenly signs have always been with us, and for centuries Jewish and Christian scholars took these messages from God very, very seriously.  Today, God's heavenly signs are widely mocked as astrology, although astrology and biblical astronomy are two completely different things.  Astrology is the worship of sun, moon, and stars, or divining one's life by them.  This is a pagan and idolatrous practice.  Biblical astronomy is trusting the plain words of Scripture in regard to the sun, moon, and stars and discerning what God is saying to His people and the world through them.

There have been manifold signs in the sun, moon, and stars in these last of the last days, including blood moons and solar eclipses, comets, and other strange occurrences, but nothing compares to the redemption story that began at the end of 2016 and ends in the 2027–28 timeframe.  The twelve constellations that fall along the ecliptic, which the Bible calls the Mazzaroth, are depicting an end-of-the-age story that includes the Great Sign of Revelation 12, and perhaps even the return of Christ as early as 2027.  This heavenly depiction is clear, unambiguous, and perfectly ordered, and the story progresses just as you might expect if God were telling the story.  If talk of “signs in the heavens” concerns you or produces an eye-roll, I would encourage you to give this a second look.  The Bible is actually surprisingly clear about these signs.  I lay out this 2016 through 2027/28 redemption story unequivocally in my recent series on biblical astronomy:

Part I

Part II

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Signs on the Earth

The heavenly signs are accompanied by the more concrete end-of-the-age signs that have transpired—and are transpiring—on the earth.  These include a great many events and milestones reached in Israel and on earth in relation to Bible prophecy that tell us beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are indeed the final generation:

1. The regathering of the Jews to Eretz Yisrael (“Land of Israel”) from the late 1800s onward.

2. The development of the first proto-global governments in the form of the now-defunct League of Nations and the present United Nations.

3. The reestablishment of the nation of Israel in 1948, restoring the biblical nation after a roughly 2,700-year hiatus (722 BC to 1948 AD), which kicked off the fig tree generation.

4. The conquest of Jerusalem by the Jews in 1967, ending a nearly two millennia-long period of desolation in which the city was controlled by the Gentiles.

5. The gospel finally going forth to every nation on earth.

6. The preparation of virtually everything needed for construction of the Third Temple, including the blueprints, cornerstones, ornate vessels, the Golden Lampstand, the Table of Showbread, the Altar of Burnt Offering, the priestly garments for the lay priests and high priest, and the priests themselves who have been genetically identified as the very descendants of Aaron.  The priests have even been formally trained in service to the Third Temple.

7. The state of global rebellion and lawlessness as described in 1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 3:1–7, Daniel 8:23, and 2 Thessalonians 2, necessary to usher in the Antichrist.

8. The development of the technology necessary to implement the mark of the beast worldwide (Rev. 13:16–17).

9. The restoration of the biblical identity of the nation of Israel via the 2018 Jewish Nation-State Law.

10. And finally, a “peace plan” that could finally succeed in dividing the land of Israel, thus ushering in the judgment of God (Jl. 3:2; Zech. 12:1–3).  This plan will ultimately be implemented or made to prevail, post-rapture, by the Antichrist himself (Dan. 9:27).

If you'd like to study these signs on the earth in much greater detail, take a look at a few of these articles:

Major Prophetic Milestones

Top 20 Signs of the Rapture and Second Coming of Christ

10 Reasons Jesus Will Come Back in Our Lifetimes

The Parable of the Fig Tree

As It Was in the Days of Noah

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Signs in the Sea

This finally brings us to the third category of signs mentioned in Luke 21:25: signs in the sea.  The book of Revelation describes clear signs such as the sea turning to blood, ships sinking, and a mountain (or meteorite) crashing into the ocean, but these clear prophetic events transpire during the Tribulation itself, as the wrath of God is poured out on a Christ-rejecting world.  The Church will not be on earth to witness these things.  All that said—there seem to be a series of signs in the great oceans of the world that tell us the Lord's coming is nigh at hand.  And they largely have to do with the roaring and tossing of the sea as mentioned in Luke's gospel account.

Step back in time with me a few years, back to September of 2017—the month of the Great Sign.  For those students of Bible prophecy familiar with the sign, how could you ever forget it?  The first two verses of the twelfth chapter of Revelation were fulfilled, not figuratively as theologians had assumed for centuries, but literally.  In the sky.  For all to see.  And without any sort of confusion or ambiguity.  Just a decade earlier who could have ever imagined that what John transcribed in the account of his vision was an actual astronomical sign just as the text indicates?  While the sign was an astronomical alignment pointing forward to the rapture of the Church and the subsequent Tribulation, it also naturally reminds us of the prophetic template of a woman, a male child, and a serpent, in the form of Mary, Christ, and the wicked ruler Herod who sought the child's destruction.

The image of a woman in labor with a male child, in danger from a serpent-dragon, finds its prototype in Genesis 3:15–16, and the image persists throughout the Old Testament, into the gospels with Christ's nativity, and ultimately into the Tribulation as outlined in Revelation 12.  While the prophecy in Genesis 3 was first and foremost about Christ, it finds future [and final] fulfillment in and through the body of Christ, the Church.  You cannot read Christ into the prophecy of Revelation 12 and regard the passage as literal truth (see here, here, and here).  The nativity story didn't end in Matthew 2 or Luke 2—it continues on to this very day as we, the body of Christ, await our own birth into heavenly bodies to complete the serpent-crushing prophecy that Christ began to fulfill in the gospels (Rm. 16:20).

This brings us back to the topic at hand: signs in the sea.  It just so happens that the nativity story has been playing out in the sea right before our very eyes, and it has worked in tandem with the signs in the heavens.  The roaring and tossing of the sea is proclaiming God's glory!  In September of 2017, as the astronomical sign was forming of a woman clothed with the sun, crowned by twelve stars, with the moon under her feet, and in labor with a male child, two powerful hurricanes developed in the Atlantic Ocean: one named Maria (Latin, Spanish, Portuguese, and Greek for “Mary”) and the other Jose (Spanish, Portuguese, and French for “Joseph”).

Mary formed on September 16th, just one week before the Revelation 12 Sign, and Joseph formed a week and a half earlier, on September 5th.  These powerful cyclones raged through the Atlantic the entire week leading up to the Great Sign, and even after, with Jose dissipating on September 25th and Maria dissipating on October 2nd.  Maria was the third-costliest cyclone in world history, causing nearly $100 billion in damages and over 3,000 fatalities, while wrecking havoc throughout the Caribbean.

Jose, on the other hand, was the longest-lived Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Nadine some five years earlier, and it took a similar path as Maria.  These storms were both raging during the Revelation 12 Sign.  Given that the name lists used by the World Meteorological Organization to name cyclones are prepared years in advance and that over a six-year span no letter will see the same name repeated, the probability of this incredible convergence coinciding with the Revelation 12 Sign is less than nil.  Even excluding the Revelation 12 Sign itself, this nativity-story-at-sea will never occur again because the name Maria has been permanently retired due to the tragic loss of life. 

But there is more to this story still...

Just as Revelation 12:1–2 was fulfilled on September 23, 2017, at the exact same time as Mary and Joseph were churning through the Atlantic, so too the astronomical aspect of Revelation 12:3–4, which depicted Satan and his angels being cast of Heaven, was fulfilled on October 8, 2018, the exact same day that a hurricane called Michael formed!  Remember, in the narrative of Revelation 12 it is the Archangel Michael that casts Satan out of Heaven (Rev. 12:7–9)!  This couldn't happen in a world governed by chance.  Below is Michael as it formed into a hurricane on October 8, 2018, the same day as the massive Draconids meteor shower:

In the story told in Revelation 12, what happens next?  The male child is presented in the heavenly temple, in the very throne room of God (Rev. 12:5).  Now how does this connect with Jesus' own nativity story?  We learn the answer in Luke chapter 2:

And when the days of their purification were fulfilled, according to the Law of Moses, they brought Him up to Jerusalem, to present to the LORD, as it has been written in the Law of the LORD: “Every male opening a womb will be called holy to the LORD...”

...And there was Anna, a prophetess, daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, she was much advanced in days, having lived with a husband seven years from her virginity, and she [is] a widow of about eighty-four years, who did not depart from the temple, serving with fasts and supplications, night and day, and she, at that hour, having come in, was confessing, likewise, to the LORD, and was speaking concerning Him, to all those looking for redemption in Jerusalem. (Lk. 2:22–23, 36–38, LSV)

After Jesus was born, and after the time of purification had transpired as determined by the Law of Moses, Mary and Joseph presented Jesus in the Temple.  There at the Temple He was seen, acknowledged, and blessed by the prophetess Anna, the only prophetess mentioned in the New Testament.

On July 24th of this year, just ten days ago, Tropical Storm Hanna formed in the Gulf of Mexico.  Hanna is the actual transliteration of the Greek name of the prophetess as recorded in Luke 2:36.  Anna is an Anglicization.  Upgraded to a hurricane the next day, Hanna passed over Corpus Christi (Latin for “Body of Christ”), with the eye hitting Padre Island, some distance south of the city.  Just as Christ was presented to God in the earthly Temple in Jerusalem and was seen by the prophetess Hanna, so too the body of Christ will soon be presented to God in the heavenly temple.

Interestingly, in August 2017, one month before the Revelation 12 Sign and the accompanying hurricanes of Maria and Jose, Hurricane Harvey struck Corpus Christi almost head on, making landfall mere miles from the city, and causing residents of the “Body of Christ” to be evacuated.  Again, this was just a month before the Revelation 12 Sign of a woman in labor.  The real body of Christ is removed from the earth prior to the labor pains of the Tribulation in a way reminiscent of how residents of Corpus Christi were evacuated prior to the Revelation 12 Sign (see here; cf. Isa. 66:7–9; 1 Thess. 5:9; Rev. 3:10).  Hurricane Harvey went on to become the first or second costliest cyclone in world history (tied with Katrina), causing massive flooding in the Houston area and immense destruction along the coast of Texas.

Fast forward to this present moment and Hurricane Isaias (“Isaiah”) is wreaking havoc along the East Coast of the United States.  Isaiah was the major prophet who prophesied not only of Christ and the gospel (Isa. 7:14; 9:6; 52:13–12; 61:1), but also of the rapture of the Church, the return of Christ, and the millennial period (Isa. 26:17–21; 66:7–9; 9:7; 11:1–12:6; 66:12–24).  He is considered by many scholars to be the most messianic of the prophets.

Isaias formed on July 30th, the 9th of Av, the date on the Jewish calendar on which the First and Second Temples fell and both world wars began.  Today, Tuesday the 4th of August, Isaias passes over both Washington, D.C. and New York.  Nearly 19 years earlier, on Tuesday the 11th of September, hijacked aircraft slammed into the Pentagon (Washington, D.C.) and the Twin Towers (New York).

Isaias made landfall in the United States at precisely 11:10 PM Eastern Time last night.

And there has been, in that day, || A Root of Jesse that is standing for an ensign of peoples, || Nations seek Him, || And His rest has been glorious! (Isa. 11:10, LSV)

The prophet Isaiah declared that the nations would seek and be gathered to the Root of Jesse.  Jesus Himself is that root (cf. Rev. 22:16)!  Reading further, we see that God will soon finish gathering His people and will restore Israel once and for all:

And it has come to pass in that day, || The Lord adds His power a second time, || To get the remnant of His people that is left, || From Asshur, and from Egypt, || And from Pathros, and from Cush, || And from Elam, and from Shinar, || And from Hamath, and from islands of the sea, || And He has lifted up an ensign to nations, || And gathers the driven away of Israel, || And He assembles the scattered of Judah, || From the four wings of the earth. (Isa. 11:11–12, LSV)

In this article I'm merely scratching the surface in terms of signs in the sea.  The sea and waves are roaring!  God is clearly speaking through all of creation—earth, sky, and sea.  And all of creation is crying out: “Prepare ye the way for the LORD!  Make His paths straight!  Let the earth finally, after millennia of waiting, receive her rightful King!”  He is coming soon.  Very, very, very soon.

~ MARANATHA ~

Holy, holy, holy!
Lord God Almighty
All thy works shall praise Thy Name
In earth and sky and sea

Video: Holy, Holy, Holy

Lord of all creation
Of the water, earth, and sky
The Heavens are Your Tabernacle
Glory to the Lord on high

Video: God of Wonders

[AppyPappy]

“He is coming soon. Very, very, very soon.”

Paul said the same thing.

[Bob434]

Yup- and Paul knew first hand how terrible the seas were- being shipwrecked several times I believe- so even back then, the seas were turbulent destructive forces- with frequent large storms

[RitchieAprile]

WW2 did not begin on 30 July...

[MplsSteve]

“He is coming soon. Very, very, very soon.”

Elvis?!

[cll]

Wait. I’ve traveled all over the world and I haven’t seen a more Christian nation/state/territory than Puerto Rico, my home. Yet we’ve had 20 years of tribulation so far, now capped by Hurricane María’s devastation in 2017, all the way to this year’s unending earthquakes, not counting the Covid fiasco. We’ve also had droughts, the toppling of an elected government, a massive refinery explosion, floods, a Sargasso invasion, even fireballs from space.

And the Virgin of Divine Providence is our patron saint! What did we ever do?

[zaxtres]

Hurricanes aren’t strange.

Solar and lunar eclipses aren’t strange.

Tornadoes are not strange.

All of these occur in the natural patterns in the revolution of the Earth, through natural means. They are no more caused by God than flushing the toilet and watch the water drain in a certain direction depending on whether you are in the Southern or Northern hemisphere. What would be strange is to have that which floats in the water be a color of fuscia pink instead of brown or green. Now that would be strange. For the prophecies to be true then an occurrence must be out of the ordinary, meaning that it happens so infrequently it is not of natural occurrence or it has never happened before.

Humans has continually tried to explain things through the divine and yet later find out that it has nothing to do with the divine. Hurricanes are natural occurrences, including Category 5 hurricanes. A strange Hurricane would be something like along the lines of a Category 200 for which there is no such thing and just like a category 200 hurricane there are no strange hurricanes that happen . Hurricanes are the result of the earth’s motion as spins. They happen every year and just because some are stronger than others does not mean the divine had anymore to do with it than a human pressing the handle on a toilet to flush. As they say: When it’s brown, flush it down!

[DariusBane]

That is pretty much apocryphal. Vague, unyielding and scary!

[dragnet2]

You’re a messenger from God? That’s very impressive.

[MurphsLaw]

I think the late 1930s and 1940s with WW2 and all may have been just a tad more apocalyptical than what we are living with right now...

granted, the tik-tok and the wuhan virus and AOC are worries for many today for sure, scary stuff ... but lets not forget history before we go painting those end times signs just yet.....

[justme4now]

Toilet Bowls drain however they’re designed to circulate water.

It’s irrelevant whether you live above or below the equator.

[justme4now]

“Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.” (Luke 21:10, 11)

Jesus also said: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”(Matthew 24:14)

The events that Jesus mentioned: wars, earthquakes, pestilences, food shortages wouldn't be new themselves.
They have been happening since early in human history.

The difference would be that they would all occur in one time period.

When have all the events mentioned in the Gospels occurred in the same era?

Man, throughout the years has witnessed world wars; great earthquakes, tsunamis, diseases, starvation, threats from terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

These events have occurred just as Jesus foretold. The apostle Paul wrote: “Know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

Ask yourselves: Are all of these signs coming together now?

Also remember that Jesus gave us these signs for standing watch and not for date planning!

Jesus said to his disciples: “It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.” (Acts 1:7)

And when giving “the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things,” Jesus noted: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:3, 36)

My problem is that ... I have no idea what length a Time Period is?
(I have also read that a Time Period is actually a Generation!
Again .. How long is a Generation?

It would be neat to think that the end times and Christ's return would be within our lifetimes! 😉

[sasportas]

Reading along I found myself in agreement with most of your points, until I came to this about the plan of the antichrist:

it “will ultimately be implemented or made to prevail, post-rapture, by the Antichrist himself”

“Post-rapture?” This gives you away: as a pretribber you aren’t a “messenger for God.” “Rapture,” yes, but “pre,” no. There is just one second coming, and it takes place “at the last day,” as per John 6 and 11. Not seven years before the last day.

[Ezekiel]

7. The state of global rebellion and lawlessness as described in 1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 3:1–7, Daniel 8:23, and 2 Thessalonians 2, necessary to usher in the Antichrist.

Antichrist? Ushered in like he's something new? The real Christ is documented in the NT as the guy who upended the religious establishment's business as usual and its expected expectations.

Those were the folks who had everything all worked out with their expert interpretations. Each camp had their doctrines and followers, always with the other guys being the poor saps who were wrong.

No one seeing a pattern here? The Messiah was and is, not the type to be accepted by the in-crowd religious covens. The day dawns soon when the flim-flam artists will be exposed for the blatant frauds that they are.

[zaxtres]

Actually it is relevant whether you live above or below the Equator. Because if you live in the Northern hemisphere the toilet bowl drains one way and in the Southern hemisphere it drains the other way. The relevance comes into knowing which way the water drains. Tiolet bowls are not designed to drain the water a certain way or when you eat cereal or soup out of a “bowl” it too is designed to be eaten out of in a certain way. But I guess you have never been across the Equator to know this thus showing your ignorance. And thus it became an analogy germane to the article. But alas, you wouldn’t know what an analogy is if it hit you upside your head. Your stupidity came into play by your overall response. Next time you flush your toilet bowl, you check if it drains the way it was designed.

Ignorance will always be curable, stupidity never.

[mdmathis6]

The astronomical thing with Jupiter happens every 12 years as it travels thru virgo every 12 years or so.....and the Draconids happens every year with varying intensity. Jupiter has more than 12 moons so it couldn’t be part of the prophecy. So about 2005 some folks were speaking about the Revelation 12 sign then. Jupiter went thru Virgo again in 2017 and the same prophecy stuff was talked about then. I posted a rebnuttal....noting that the Jupiter has more than 12 moons so John must have been seeing something else.(No telescopes so John couldn’t see them)

I think the signs will be very dynamic and not hard to spot. The demons and Satan being thrown to Earth ...maybe not at first unless unmistakable signs of mass possessions or numerous instances of occultic false signs start happening.

[delchiante]

Hurricanes aren’t strange.

But this is a strange, peculiar country..

This nation began with 13 colonies.

Same design as Christ and His 12 disciples. 1+12

The country has 50 states.

50 is the number affiliated with Pentecost, the day that the church counts as its birthday.
Growing by about 3,000 souls of the body of Christ.

What happens here may not be considered strange.
But the nation and its biblical foundation isn’t happenstance.
It’s Divine Providence.

And what happens here may have Divine messages for those with eyes to see it or ears to hear it.
Just like He sends Israel signs at His Spring and Fall Feasts.
Witness to the believing and unbelieving of His plan.
Right above our heads and confirmed in His Word.
Divine Providence that also wouldn’t seem strange.

Just prophetic.

[justme4now]

You are one nasty individual aren't you?

You'd think that someone who calls others ignorant and stupid wouldn't so easily display their own!?

There are a ton of articles to explore on the subject IF you are able to read and comprehend!
(You are able to do both?)

Your myth is/was based on what the Coriolis effect does to tornado's and hurricanes in different zones!

I am a retired commercial carrier pilot and yes, I have been north and south of the equator and places which ignorant folks such as yourself could only dream of!

I've done some searches for you since you don't seem to have ever tried the process?

I even included the leftist's bible snopes within the results!
(Last summary and link)

Consider yourself lucky that this post is old, according to FR standards!

Not many will see it and know .. What real Ignorance is!

(SNIP)
However, our initial proposition does remain a myth. Toilets don’t flush the opposite way in Australia and water doesn’t drain in opposite directions on either side of the equator no matter how far you are from it.

We can now safely flush this myth down the drain.
Forever.

FOR THE IGNORANT

Toilets and sinks drain in the directions they do because of the way water is directed into them or pulled from them.

If water enters in a swirling motion (as it does when a toilet is flushed, for example), the water will exit in that same swirling pattern.

As well, most basins have irregular surfaces and are not perfectly level, factors that influence the direction in which water spirals down their drains.

The configuration of taps and drains is responsible for the direction of spin given to water draining from sinks and bathtubs to a degree that overwhelms the slight influence of the Coriolis force.

YES ... SNOPES

Oh and .. Don't bother responding with: "There are videos proving it!"
If you do learn to do the Search thing .. All of those videos have been debunked!

As I originally posted: It is the way the flow is started that determines the direction!

As you said and I suspect .. stupidity is enduring!

[zaxtres]

Okay says the person who exemplifies an attitude unbecoming of an officer.

I could care less if you ate bananas and sang the monkey dance all day long.

Snopes is a joke. You say so yourself and yet you quote Snopes who has never been caught in a lie themselves.If you still rely on Snopes maybe you do sing the Monkey Dance song all day long. I guess you better Colour my World eh? /s

Funny you quote the Coriolis Effect and yet say it is a myth because you have been to”places I could only dream of”. Nothing like watching a plane land on a Carrier at night in the middle of an ocean. Wait? You were ignorant on that too! I worked aboard an aircraft carrier. I trained to be an ASW/RSS. Only ASW, at the time I was in, get the RSS designation if you didn’t know. Mic drop! Having a carrier do negative knots on a NorthPac was not fun either.

A simple youtube search showed that snopes was wrong btw and their explanation as to why: the Coriolis effect. Actually they showed the effect then explained then said it was the Coriolis effect. And I guess you being the superior “retired carrier pilot” (only reason to say you were was to assert your authority once more since you are retired and probably command a pile of worms now) would know all about the physics of the Earth and rotational physics. Like how Hurricanes in the Nothern Hemisphere rotate/swirl counterclockwise and in the Southern Hemisphere swirl/rotate clockwise. Because it is based on the rotation of the Earth. Duh! The Coriolis effect doesn’t stop just because it is a toilet. All in all is kind of crappy (of you) after all! Even carrier pilots can be wrong sometimes just ask those on the Forrestal when McCain was on board. Well in his case he was wrong all the time the dam traitor.