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1 posted on 08/07/2020 11:57:54 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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“He is coming soon. Very, very, very soon.”

Paul said the same thing.


2 posted on 08/07/2020 12:07:12 PM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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WW2 did not begin on 30 July...


4 posted on 08/07/2020 12:19:11 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (available monkeys looking for the change..)
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Wait. I’ve traveled all over the world and I haven’t seen a more Christian nation/state/territory than Puerto Rico, my home. Yet we’ve had 20 years of tribulation so far, now capped by Hurricane María’s devastation in 2017, all the way to this year’s unending earthquakes, not counting the Covid fiasco. We’ve also had droughts, the toppling of an elected government, a massive refinery explosion, floods, a Sargasso invasion, even fireballs from space.

And the Virgin of Divine Providence is our patron saint! What did we ever do?


6 posted on 08/07/2020 12:28:46 PM PDT by cll (Serviam!)
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Hurricanes aren’t strange.

Solar and lunar eclipses aren’t strange.

Tornadoes are not strange.

All of these occur in the natural patterns in the revolution of the Earth, through natural means. They are no more caused by God than flushing the toilet and watch the water drain in a certain direction depending on whether you are in the Southern or Northern hemisphere. What would be strange is to have that which floats in the water be a color of fuscia pink instead of brown or green. Now that would be strange. For the prophecies to be true then an occurrence must be out of the ordinary, meaning that it happens so infrequently it is not of natural occurrence or it has never happened before.

Humans has continually tried to explain things through the divine and yet later find out that it has nothing to do with the divine. Hurricanes are natural occurrences, including Category 5 hurricanes. A strange Hurricane would be something like along the lines of a Category 200 for which there is no such thing and just like a category 200 hurricane there are no strange hurricanes that happen . Hurricanes are the result of the earth’s motion as spins. They happen every year and just because some are stronger than others does not mean the divine had anymore to do with it than a human pressing the handle on a toilet to flush. As they say: When it’s brown, flush it down!


7 posted on 08/07/2020 12:58:57 PM PDT by zaxtres
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That is pretty much apocryphal. Vague, unyielding and scary!


8 posted on 08/07/2020 1:09:08 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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You’re a messenger from God? That’s very impressive.


9 posted on 08/07/2020 1:11:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I think the late 1930s and 1940s with WW2 and all may have been just a tad more apocalyptical than what we are living with right now...

granted, the tik-tok and the wuhan virus and AOC are worries for many today for sure, scary stuff ... but lets not forget history before we go painting those end times signs just yet.....
10 posted on 08/07/2020 2:31:51 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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“Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.” (Luke 21:10, 11)

Jesus also said: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”(Matthew 24:14)

The events that Jesus mentioned: wars, earthquakes, pestilences, food shortages wouldn't be new themselves.
They have been happening since early in human history.

The difference would be that they would all occur in one time period.

When have all the events mentioned in the Gospels occurred in the same era?

Man, throughout the years has witnessed world wars; great earthquakes, tsunamis, diseases, starvation, threats from terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

These events have occurred just as Jesus foretold. The apostle Paul wrote: “Know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

Ask yourselves: Are all of these signs coming together now?

Also remember that Jesus gave us these signs for standing watch and not for date planning!

Jesus said to his disciples: It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. (Acts 1:7)

And when giving “the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things,” Jesus noted: Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:3, 36)

My problem is that ... I have no idea what length a Time Period is?
(I have also read that a Time Period is actually a Generation!
Again .. How long is a Generation?

It would be neat to think that the end times and Christ's return would be within our lifetimes! 😉

12 posted on 08/07/2020 3:29:57 PM PDT by justme4now (Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it)
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Reading along I found myself in agreement with most of your points, until I came to this about the plan of the antichrist:

it “will ultimately be implemented or made to prevail, post-rapture, by the Antichrist himself”

“Post-rapture?” This gives you away: as a pretribber you aren’t a “messenger for God.” “Rapture,” yes, but “pre,” no. There is just one second coming, and it takes place “at the last day,” as per John 6 and 11. Not seven years before the last day.


13 posted on 08/07/2020 3:35:09 PM PDT by sasportas
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7. The state of global rebellion and lawlessness as described in 1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 3:1–7, Daniel 8:23, and 2 Thessalonians 2, necessary to usher in the Antichrist.

Antichrist? Ushered in like he's something new? The real Christ is documented in the NT as the guy who upended the religious establishment's business as usual and its expected expectations.

Those were the folks who had everything all worked out with their expert interpretations. Each camp had their doctrines and followers, always with the other guys being the poor saps who were wrong.

No one seeing a pattern here? The Messiah was and is, not the type to be accepted by the in-crowd religious covens. The day dawns soon when the flim-flam artists will be exposed for the blatant frauds that they are.

14 posted on 08/07/2020 6:19:14 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word. Goy to the World!)
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The astronomical thing with Jupiter happens every 12 years as it travels thru virgo every 12 years or so.....and the Draconids happens every year with varying intensity. Jupiter has more than 12 moons so it couldn’t be part of the prophecy. So about 2005 some folks were speaking about the Revelation 12 sign then. Jupiter went thru Virgo again in 2017 and the same prophecy stuff was talked about then. I posted a rebnuttal....noting that the Jupiter has more than 12 moons so John must have been seeing something else.(No telescopes so John couldn’t see them)

I think the signs will be very dynamic and not hard to spot. The demons and Satan being thrown to Earth ...maybe not at first unless unmistakable signs of mass possessions or numerous instances of occultic false signs start happening.


16 posted on 08/08/2020 3:28:13 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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