Posted on 01/31/2020 9:07:54 AM PST by Salvation
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Bump!
Love, love Monsignor Pope!
What a blessing to be in Jerusalem today! God bless you!
Thank you for sharing that. I’ve never been there.
Someday everybody will know it wasn’t Groundhog Day when He was presented in the Temple, 40 days after His birth.
But Babylon falls when Truth gets revealed. So,Groundhog day it has to stay till Satan doesn’t deceive the whole world anymore.
We have inherited nothing but lies...
The ‘Feast’ of the Presentation wasn’t a ‘feast’ day at all.
It was a ‘fast day’.A Sabbath. A Day Israel was to ‘fast’, like Anna the prophetess was doing.
The Word truly did become flesh.
That same fast holy day is also the day He began His ministry.
He was born (and baptized) on an appointment day 40 days before the Day of Atonement ,the true day He was presented in the Temple. Began His ministry on the day of Atonement too (same day He was presented in the Temple 30 years earlier).
And then 3.5 years later, at Passover, He finished His work of Redemption and Justification, that began on the Day of Atonement,at about 30 years old.
Israel was commanded to fast on the 9/10th at evening because that is the Messiah of Israel’s 40th day of fasting in the wilderness.
Judaism has no idea why they are called to fast beginning on the evening of the 9th day of the 7th month versus any other day in the year.
Those who have the Son, the Messiah of Israel, can show them the who and the why.
That is sort of what Smyrna and Philadelphia assemblies will do.
The Word did Truly become flesh. The clues,mysteries are found in His Word.
But Satan has developed alternative facts to keep the world enslaved to his Babylonian time and law.
The Truth will set people free indeed!
I’ve not attended theological schools or seminaries, but I read all this as a child and come to the same conclusion today: the writer is assigning more to baby Jesus on the Mount than the scriptures say. Is this where the source of Mary worship originates? With no record of the Ark’s actual destruction recorded in any histories are we to believe it no longer exists? Perhaps this is a lesson that real faith needs no material evidence if one’s soul is touched and blessed.
Did the Templars Hide the Ark of the Covenant? Unraveling the Cove-Jones Cipher
My first time, on my retirement tour of Europe and the Med for about a month (cheap in the winter) Jerusalem is beautiful and lot of fun besides the holy sites. Absolutely will come back.
Tonight is curious, Shabbat the Jewish holy day, Friday sundown to Sat sundown, 99% of business shuts down, NO locals are out only visitors from the sound of chit chat, the number folks out on the street reminded me of 9/11 when you could roll a bowling ball down main street and not hit a soul, only here it happens every Friday and not the same terror feeling. But I tell you what Thursday nite was a blast and looking forward to Saturday nite. LOL
He also could have added the following passage from 2 Maccabees 2:1-8. Although 1 and 2 Maccabees do not appear in the Jewish or Protestant canon, most Christians in the world (Catholics, Orthodox, and Copts, etc.) and throughout most of the Christians era accept them as Sacred Scripture and in any case reflect the traditions and practices of the Jews in the years just prior to the birth of Jesus. This passage relates events that occurred at the time of the Babylonian Exile:
2:1 One finds in the records that Jeremiah the prophet ordered those who were being deported to take some of the fire, as has been told, 2 and that the prophet after giving them the law instructed those who were being deported not to forget the commandments of the Lord, nor to be led astray in their thoughts upon seeing the gold and silver statues and their adornment. 3 And with other similar words he exhorted them that the law should not depart from their hearts.
4 It was also in the writing that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God. 5 And Jeremiah came and found a cave, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense, and he sealed up the entrance. 6 Some of those who followed him came up to mark the way, but could not find it. 7 When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: “The place shall be unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy. 8 And then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated.”
Nevertheless she has an especially intimate relation to God, having been espoused and overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, by Whose engendering love and power she became the Mother of the Son. It's absolutely beautiful when you think of it: absolutely beautiful.
About the Ark of the Covenant: after it was lost (many presume captured) in 587 BC, when the Babylonians sacked Jerusalem, it is never to be seen again until Revelation 11:19, when it says:
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
This introduces the following vision:
"A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birthpangs, in the anguish of giving birth."This Woman, by way of sign or symbol, is the Woman spoken of way back in Genesis 3:15, when the Lord says to the Serpent: "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers..." They are enemies. This is War!
In Revelation 11:9, this Enemy makes his reappearance ("the great dragon...that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan") and is facing off against the Woman and her offspring, and the Woman is the Mother of the Messiah ("... a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron").
Here we see different aspects of one image: enemy of the Ancient Serpent, mother of the Messiah, Ark of the Covenant.
How is she the Ark? The Ark carried sacred objects--- flakes of manna, the tablets of the Law, and Aron's rod--- associated with God's saving work toward the Hebrew people. For Mary carried not manna, but the Living Bread; not the Law, but the Lawgiver; she carried not just the saving of the Hebrew people, but the Savior of the World.
The Lord had made His dwelling in the Ark; now He made His dwelling in her, his His birthgiving Mother.
Nobody "worships" Mary. This is taught VERY PLAINLY in Catholic theology.
Excellent!
That was beautiful! Thank you for that post!
Yet, that is exactly what Roman Catholicism has declared in their writings.
A simple post from the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church will illustrate this.
Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix,” CCC 969
IF one compares this to Scripture one finds the following:
As Jesus is our Advocate, so is Mary per Rome.
As the Holy Spirit is our Advocate, so is Mary per Rome.
As the Spirit is our Helper, so is Mary per Rome.
As Jesus is our Mediator, so is Mary per Rome.
I'll explain.
She's attempting to read something into the text that isn't there. She is not a good handler of the Word.
She has selectively quoted a passage from Revelation 12:1-2 without giving a proper explanation of the passage or even telling you where the passage is from.
"A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birthpangs, in the anguish of giving birth."
Roman Catholics like to claim this is Mary. However, they usually only quote Revelation 12:1 which reads as:
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
and leave out verse 2
and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
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Why?
Because the second verse nullifies the false Roman Catholic teaching of the Immaculate Conception.
Notice in Rev 12:2 the woman cries out in pain during her labor.
Roman Catholics attempt to say this isn't Mary....but no sound grammatical rule will allow the subject to change mid-sentence. Yet that is what attempts to do.
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Now turn to Genesis 3:16.
To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”
Notice this verse indicates the woman will be in pain as part of the punishment for her sin in the Garden of Eden.
Notice also they claim Genesis 3:15 as being about Mary as well.
Roman Catholics see v15 as being about Mary due to a bad rendering of the Vulgate.
The Catholic Encyclopedia notes this regarding the Vulgate's translation:
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture. But the first scriptural passage which contains the promise of the redemption, mentions also the Mother of the Redeemer. The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel (Proto-evangelium), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman: "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" (Genesis 3:15). The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm
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If Mary is in Revelation 12:1-2 as mrs.d is claiming then she is in Genesis 3:15-16. Her position is in contradiction.
There is no Scriptural support for Rome's reading into the text what they have about Mary.
These are what is called multivalent symbols, as contrasted to allegorical figures. With allegory, usually one abstract idea (like Truth, Wisdom, Sloth, Chastity) is represented by one character. Multivalent symbols can represent related or congruent people and ideas without a one-to-one correspondence.
So the Great Sign can evoke the figure of
She is unquestionably Mary (since the Messiah's one-and-only mother is Mary) but she is also Daughter Zion (undergoing travail) and the Church (undergoing persecution), since v. 17 says the Dragon goes off to wage war "against the rest of her offspring---those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus."
The faithful can be called "children of the Church" and Mary herself has been honored with the name "Mother of Christians," because she is Christ's mother and we are all members of the Body of Christ. Also because we are like the Beloved Disciple at the foot of the Cross, where Jesus gave His Mother a "Son" and gave the Church His mother. "
Ealgeone, I think you would find an interested and respectful audience if you would tell us what YOU think or what YOUR CHURCH teaches about that mysterious Woman Clothed With The Sun. That would be fascinating.
You stumble when you try to tell *Catholics* what *Catholics* believe, because you mostly don't get it right.
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