Posted on 01/07/2018 1:17:40 PM PST by tiredofallofit
But that chain of authority is often not so clear in the church world, especially amongst non-denominational evangelicals. If a man or woman steps up behind a pulpit and speaks to us authoritatively on matters of theology, why do we automatically accept this authority? Is it because we like what we hear? Or do we validate the authority because the pastor’s interpretation of the Bible jives with our own understanding? But who are we to even make that judgement? Why is our interpretation of the Bible any better than the person sitting next to us on the pew? And if we disagree with an aspect of the pastor’s views, do we have a right to question him? Or do we have to accept what he says because we have already consented to his authority?
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They are all there — some people just aren’t meant to find them.
Remember, Christ calls many, but only a few are chosen.
Yes, he did. But he still is NOT THE ROCK of Gods True Church. Only Jesus could fill that role.
You keep repeating that opinion, with no Scripture to support it
You make the error of lumping anything not Roman Catholic into the category of Protestant.
Evangelicals more closely hold to belief in Scripture than Roman Catholics.
Does not Rome view Genesis 1-11 as allegorical tales and not actual events?
However, aside from the Mass, the biggest error of Roman Catholicism is the sanctioned worship of Mary. There is no denying this.
No, it is not Biblical. But Martin Luther was God sent to reform the grievous errors of the RCC. No doubt God protected him otherwise he would have been murdered.
The verse you cite from 1 Corinthians 1:10-17 nullifies the Roman Catholic position that baptism is what saves.
Where is the Immaculate Conception? The Catholic Encyclopedia Online admits there it cannot be found in Scripture.
Where is the Immaculate Conception? The Catholic Encyclopedia Online admits there it cannot be found in Scripture.
And no...I'm not going to post a live link as I've done so on numerous occasions on threads you've been on.
You're now arguing the Gnostic position of "hidden" knowledge.
A Pastor is merely a trained professional, with no more power than the people he serves.
Amen. Using Godly discernment all the way.
How many bodies are there ?
Well, the first step is you have to search the Scriptures. There are some who do not read the Scriptures. It was only in the last century that Roman Catholics were encouraged to read the Scriptures.
Having a working background of the New Testament period is beneficial.
I would also strongly say that a working knowledge of the original languages is key to a proper understanding of the texts. This is where I see a huge failure of Roman Catholicism....and I will say most denominations. IIRC, the appeal to the original languages was a precursor to the Reformation.
I'm reading various passages in Romans based on the Greek. When one reads them with the Greek understanding it brings into clarity why Paul said it is by faith that we come to Christ. I can understand why Luther said it was by faith alone that we come to Christ...though he wasn't the only one.
Also, context is another key concept that is crucial to properly understanding the Scriptures.
If those, combined with prayer, are applied to a faithful study of the Scriptures, I betcha there will be more agreement than disagreement.
Hillary knows!
A little levity for the thread.
Search all you want...it's not in there and Roman Catholicism's own Catholic Encyclopedia admits it.
Hence the need to confirm with the Scriptures what is being heard.
No, it is not Biblical. But Martin Luther was God sent to reform the grievous errors of the RCC. No doubt God protected him otherwise he would have been murdered.
Jesus was/is in the reforming business..................
The Jews who heard the Messiah’s teaching that whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood has eternal life could not confirm that in the scriptures. It has to be accepted by faith. Millions of Protestants who reject the Catholic/Orthodox teaching handed down through the long centuries do not even agree with each other, let alone with the Jews.
ROTFLMAO!
Wrong.
Jesus establishes His church on HIMSELF.
"petra" = JESUS.
Matthew 16:18 - http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm
Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.
Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).
“4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).
4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.
4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).
It’s also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.
There is no support from the original Greek that Peter was to be the rock on which Jesus said he would build His church. The nouns are not the same, one being masculine and the other being feminine. They denote different objects.
Also, here, Paul identifies who petra is, and that is Christ. This link takes you to the Greek.
http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/10-4.htm
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
http://biblehub.com/text/romans/9-33.htm
Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
http://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/2-8.htm
1 Peter 2:1-8 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.
As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
All occurrences of *petra* in the Greek.
Prove it. Provide the Scripture.
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