Judging non-Catholics

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[Salvation]

Judging non-Catholics Seeing into the hearts of those outside the Church, the Lord will judge them by their knowledge, deeds

Msgr. Charles Pope Catholic, August 28, 2016

8/17/2016

Question: How will God judge non-Catholics at the time of their death? — William Bandle, Manchester, Missouri

Answer: Scripture says, “God does not see as a mortal ... The Lord looks into the heart” (1 Sam 16:7). Thus, God, who knows our hearts, will judge us based on what is there. Not all have had the same opportunity to come to know the Lord, his Church and the help of the sacraments. God is just; he knows this and will judge accordingly.

Jesus says, “That servant who knew his master’s will but did not make preparations or act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely and the servant who was ignorant of his master’s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating, shall be beaten only lightly” (Lk 12:47-48).

In terms of non-Catholics who lacked some knowledge or sacraments of the Church, God will look into their hearts and judge them based on what they reasonably could have known and their actions based on that.

Therefore, to say that God looks into the heart does not mean that he merely looks to a person’s feelings or disposition. Rather, as Scripture says, we will be judged by our deeds (see Rom 2:6-11). Did our actions correspond to what we knew was expected of us or not?

Thus, the degree of a person’s knowledge of God’s will and his obedience to that knowledge in deeds will be key on the Day of Judgment. This does not mean all non-Catholics and other nonbelievers simply get a pass. Their ignorance of full Catholic teaching must be what is called “invincible ignorance,” meaning a lack of knowledge that they could not reasonably overcome. Thus, if one is lazy or makes excuses when seeking the truth, God will take it into account.

Since the Lord alone sees into our heart, he alone will be our just judge.

[Iscool]

For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

Thought I'd highlight this sentence since it has so much weight...

They said they weren't going to require much of anything EXCEPT, stay away from blood...That was hugely important for the church...

[Resettozero]

The first person to use the word *vampire* was ..... YOU!

That's true, infool7.

It's also true you may have been suckered.

Perhaps the idea of "casting no shadow" on the truth of what has been presented here was not as accurate as saying this:

For all the big-footed clownlike splashing of your feet on this thread, your footprints are only easily-washed-away sin indicators you have ignorantly tromped onto the Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ, reflecting more on your neediness of correction and admonishing than most born-again Christians posting here.

[Tennessee Nana]

LOL

[Elsie]

Catholic response to: What is the way God has prepared for man to be saved?

Baptism
Dying in state of grace (no mortal sin)
Belief in divinely revealed doctrine. Available in the Bible or as summarized in the Catholic Catechism
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/index.cfm
Being a practicing member of the Body of Christ in the Church founded by Jesus.
Prayer and the Sacraments

 

Jesus' response to a question: What must a a man DO to be saved?

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

John 6:28-29

 

Pick one only...

[infool7]

You continue the coordinated “personal” attack. Why are you breaking the FR rules against “Making it Personal” could it be that you are a member of the protected class here at FR and that there will be no consequences for you when you break the “rules”?

[Elsie]

so... let’s see in one post you infer that I am a servant of the Devil ...

Oh?

Which one?

Don't you FOLLOW a FELLOW that Jesus Christ once called SATAN?

[Tennessee Nana]

What is the way God has prepared for man to be saved?

Baptism
Dying in state of grace (no mortal sin)
Belief in divinely revealed doctrine. Available in the Bible or as summarized in the Catholic Catechism
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/index.cfm
Being a practicing member of the Body of Christ in the Church founded by Jesus.
Prayer and the Sacraments
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Please explain the salvation of the thief on the cross beside the LORD Jesus Christ...

[Iscool]

In other words, Luther says because St Paul referred to Communion as bread, that means Paul was saying the SUBSTANCE of Communion was NOT changed during the Mass and it always remains Bread and Wine. But taken IN context this doesn’t make much sense because if it was JUST bread, why did Paul in 1 Corr 11:27 ff write: Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.

Your invented context is way off the mark... So you are suggesting you will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord which is setting before you??? That's makes absolutely no sense and is no part of a context...How do you answer for a cup of wine and a piece of bread that someone told you has changed into flesh and wine??? That's crazy...

The context is, if you partake of this stuff unworthily, you are responsible for the damage done to the Lords body, on the Cross, and his shed blood, on the ground...

A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup.

After examining oneself, one should eat the BREAD and drink the CUP...It's still bread...

For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.

What body??? The one that sets before you...No, of course not...THAT'S BREAD...Discerning the body that was nailed to the Cross...And why it was nailed to the Cross, as you are partaking in communion to remember and ponder the event...

[Resettozero]

You continue the coordinated “personal” attack.

I deny your accusation. Perhaps you just read what you want to read into what I've posted.

[Gamecock]

Please explain how the Old Testament Saints were saved.

[Iscool]

A miraculous change occurs which we call “transubstantiation.” But note: the King of Glory does not descend in order to “enter” the bread and wine. No, instead of his coming down, he draws the essence of the elements to where he is, at the right hand of the Father. The risen Lord draws the inner reality of the bread and wine in all celebrations of the Mass unto himself and indeed into himself. Thus he maintains his own bodily unity. In other words, Jesus Christ himself is not changed into the essence of the elements of bread and wine. Rather, the essence of those elements is changed into him.

But in no non-Catholic church (excepting the Eastern Orthodox) can you receive Jesus Christ himself, Body and Blood, Soul and divinity. Because of the lack of apostolic orders for their ministers, none of the non-Catholic communion services is the Eucharist. Therefore, in no non-Catholic church can you be literally united with Jesus Christ. (”JESUS GIVES HIMSELF TO US: TRANSUBSTANTIATION” By Fr. Ray Ryland

You don't have to make this stuff up...Well maybe you do to keep your religion intact...But here is the REAL miracle and mystery and presence of Jesus Christ, apparently unknown to Catholics and then pretends to be the one, true religion...

Jesus Christ himself, Body and Blood, Soul and divinity??? We got it...Do we have to go to some unbiblical ritual and drink some wine and eat some bread to get it??? Of course not...

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If you don't know Jesus lives within you, you are a reprobate...

Col_1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

And one of the greatest things about it is when we pray, we don't have to pray to Mary or a supposed Saint who may take our prayers to God...We just have to reach inside of ourselves and talk to Jesus...Because that's where he is...In the Temple...

All this nonsense about transubstantiation, vicar of Christ, prayers to Mary to gain access to God...My, my, my...Satan must be tickled to death...A religion full of reprobates which ignores God's words of the scriptures and invents its own unbiblical religious philosophy...

[metmom]

Why don’t you stick to the topic of the discussion?

Like you've been????

BWAHAHAHA!!!!!

OK, we can go back and do that.

Perhaps you'd like to answer the questions I posed in post 535...

Which Roman Catholic teachings is one required to believe in to be sure they are correctly saved?

Trent?

VI?

VII?

CCC?

Only ex catherda ones, the ones that are supposed to be infallible for which there isn't even an infallible, consistent list?

Can you provide such a list of teachings that are not up for grabs, that are binding on all believers everywhere in order for them to be saved according to Catholicism?

And provide the infallible sources for them, please.?

[metmom]

You get it and I get it but it’s lost on others.

[metmom]

No coordinated attack here.

I haven’t FReepmailed you to tag team anyone.

[Resettozero]

No coordinated attack here. I haven’t FReepmailed you to tag team anyone.

No you haven't, nor I you or anyone. But if we can find one more participant, we could triangulate a coordinated offensive and take out LC once and for all...and a few of his goats too! You in?

[metmom]

I don’t know.

So many of his posts are so amusing.

Nobody could step up and fill that void.

Nah, I guess count me out......

[af_vet_1981]

Which again, happens at the Lord's return, Look again at Luke and what God said to the rich man. The LORD's coming for him, as it were, was that very night. Indeed, many passages are illuminated when looking at them not only in the light of the arrival of the Messiah in the clouds when every eye shall see Him, but also by His presence. The teaching recorded in Luke, and elsewhere, to be ready and waiting for Him could thus be understood in light of the rich man, that our souls may be required of us this very night, and at any hour, so we should strive always be ready and found without fault, serving Him as He commanded. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

[Arrian]

Good retort and on the mark.

[Arrian]

Can you understand a simple four word sentence?
I never made a single post on this site prior to May 2016!
Nor will I be disrupting any future “conversations on the Religion Forum”; a veritable template of Raphael’s ‘School of Athens’. Peace.

[Resettozero]

Can you understand a simple four word sentence? I never made a single post on this site prior to May 2016! Nor will I be disrupting any future “conversations on the Religion Forum”; a veritable template of Raphael’s ‘School of Athens’. Peace.

Never said you did. Just said I recognized similarities with someone who is now banned.

You seem caught up in some Spy vs. Spy scenario with me on this thread and truly do seem to have a problem evaluating my posts (and other posters') in a level-headed manner.

Yes, it is time for you to drop it, to give it up. Thank you for now beginning your striving toward peace on this thread.