Posted on 07/06/2015 7:37:24 AM PDT by NYer
This whole perversion of the Word of God began when Luther said each person should interpret the Bible for themselves. This has led to so called’ christians’ condoning and accepting homosexual sex and ‘marriage’. Luther is ‘turning in his grave’. He said that ‘having sex without having children was the sin of sodomy too.’
This slippery slide where christians accepting this perversion began with the condoning of divorce. It was well brought out when CNN asked Donald Trump what he believed about homosexual ‘marriage’. Trump responded by saying he is in favor of ‘traditional marriage’. They then called him on having married 3 times.
So here it is. King Henry the VIII made his own church, ‘The Church of England’ so that he could get around what Jesus said; ‘What God has united, let no man divide” and kill two of his wives and remarry four more times. He modified his christianity to suite his sexual desires. He then went on to steal Catholic property, killed thousands and caused years of persecution and starvation of Catholics in England and Ireland.
Then Margaret Sanger paid Episcopalian preachers to condone Eugenics and the use of birth control.
Then came the condoning of murdering the babies in the womb. Many ‘christian’ churches have gone along with this evil and have called it good.
Now we have the same with homosexual sin. More and more of the christian churches are supporting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality and justifying it with perverted theology.
On July 1st 2015, in Salt Lake City, the Episcopal Church “voted overwhelmingly to approve two resolutions that effectively codify theological support for same-sex marriage. The first (A054) formally approves gender-neutral and same-sex marriage ceremonies, while the second (A036) changes the current marriage “canons” to allow clergy to officiate same-sex marriages using either a marriage rite from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer or a “trial” liturgy.
..the resolution actually includes what amounts to a “conscience clause” for bishops and priests who disapprove of same-sex marriage to opt-out of performing unions, although they are required to accommodate couples in some way in every diocese.
“This is a definitive step for the Episcopal church,” Baker said. “To have this vote pass so soon after the Supreme Court decision…It was just breathtaking.”
“God has clearly been at work in the culture and in the church, changing the hearts and minds of Episcopalians,” he added. ThinkProgress.com
This week the Presbyterian Church of American also voted to ‘embrace an inclusive definition of marriage‘.
‘The measure sought to replace a phrase in the church’s constitution that defined marriage as “a civil contract between a woman and a man” with a sentence reading “marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives.”
A Presbyterian McNeil said; “We rejoice that all couples can now see those relationships solemnized before God and the Christian community in marriage, at the discretion of ministers and sessions, there is still more work to be done to ensure that the church guarantees LGBT people equal rights — and theological standing — across the board.’
Carmen Fowler LeBorge, also a Presbyterian, disagreed with the change. She said that “Any prophetic voice that the denomination may have once had to speak truth and call people to repentance is now lost. All she can do now is echo the voices of the world for she has abandoned the clarion call to bear faithful witness to the God who has clearly spoken on this matter.”
For the Presbyterian ministers there is also a conscience clause. They do not have to ‘officiate same-sex unions, and pastors can individually decline to perform a marriage — just as they can with any straight couple.’ ThinkProgress.com
A large Evangelical Christian Church in San Francisco, (City Church), just sent out a letter where they will not longer require celibacy for homosexual members. “Imagine feeling this from your family or religious community, ‘If you stay, you must accept celibacy with no hope that you too might one day enjoy the fullness of intellectual, spiritual, emotional, psychological and physical companionship. If you pursue a lifelong partnership, you are rejected.’ This is simply not working and people are being hurt. We must listen and respond.” religiousnewsservice.com
A New York Mega Church pastor Lentz, when asked in an interview with CNN if he every talks about homosexuality. “Yes, it’s a misquote because I do discuss it, just not the way people want me to, When it comes to homosexuality, I refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent. And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote were Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”
I guess this minister never read Matthew 15:19, ‘For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.’ Fornication means any sexual activity outside of marriage, (masterbation, premarital sex, homosexual sex).
‘The couple shared that gay men and women were welcomed at Hillsong NYC, with Lentz stating, “We have a lot of gay men and women in our church and I pray we always do.”
Mrs. Lentz added, “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live, it’s – that’s their journey.” christianpost.news
We are so blessed to be traditional Catholics and to believe in the complete Holy Bible. We have read where God calls homosexual sex an abomination and who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
You're evading. There is only one exception given in Matthew 19:9 and 5thGenTexan wrote that is the exception they fall under.
Further, 5thGenTexan said nothing of remarriage so your ensuing 'lecture' is a diversion to cover the tracks of your first evasion. Only after you scribbled enough do you realize your logic breaks down as you admit that divorce "is not necessarily evil".
As for your posting of this half-wit conceited priest, the Catholic Church is open for business in bribes. To be able to receive communion after a divorce. it is necessary to pay for the annulment service and to have a good story as to why the spouse duped and deceived you into marriage. This corruption in pay-to-play is widespread. And if one priest refrains, it's easy enough to eventually find one that will engage. It's all about money.
The truth is that Catholics are sinners like all other Christians of other denominations but the difference is that so Catholics don't want to admit it in Church for fear of their Church. The resulting arrogance and hypocrisy creates confusion and enemies.
Faithful Episcopalians shocked by their leadership are not flocking to the Catholic Church for answers, they are running to the Orthodox who have never changed their divine liturgy in more than 2000 years and who approach parishioners in humility while confessing sin in thought, word and deed.
As opposed to haughty Catholic pride and ugly arrogance, here is a typical Orthodox prayer that conveys the constant theme that we are all sinners before God:
A Prayer of St. John Chrysostom
I believe, O Lord, and I confess that thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who didst come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. And I believe that this is truly thine own immaculate Body, and that this is truly thine own precious Blood. Wherefore I pray thee, have mercy upon me and forgive my transgressions both voluntary and involuntary, of word and of deed, of knowledge and of ignorance; and make me worthy to partake without condemnation of thine immaculate mysteries, unto remission of my sins and unto life everlasting. Amen.
The statements reflect Church teaching, not an individuals.
Maybe: perhaps not. Luther's very clear anti-Semitism was not an issue until, instead of joining up with him, they stuck with their own Faith. Prior to that, he was rather solicitous to the Jews.
I am not equating Judaism with homosexuality: rather, I am pointing out that Luther's tolerance of the Jews went as far as their agreement with him against the Church, and the possibility of their joining with him.
Can we get back to the topic of the thread now that you’ve gotten that out of your system?
... or turned people to salt, lol. Sorry. No disrespect intended; that part just strikes me kind of funny...
“The statements reflect Church teaching, not an individuals.”
So you focus on individuals to bash Baptists but cling to your “Church teaching” to say the Catholics are better.
ah yep
> “’Journey’ is one of those red flag words.”
It can be but is not necessarily. It depends on the context and the spirit with which it is said. I use it frequently to describe how sinners come finally to the realization that Jesus is the Christ.
> “When I hear ‘justice’, I know they mean Marxism.”
No, ‘social justice’ is a euphemism for Marxism. What is more accurate to what you are likely saying is that in the context of ‘Christian perversion’ the word ‘justice’ is a short form of ‘social justice’.
> “When I hear ‘journey’, I know they mean affirmation of sin.”
If “they” refers to the NYC ‘Mega Church’ pastor Lentz, then you are correct. But in general, the word ‘journey’ in the context of a sinner seeking answers in a church refers to their prior experience. It is hoped that the Church will encourage people to grow closer to God as they continue their ‘journey’ forward. Affirmation of sin is not connoted by the word but by how the word is used.
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Martin Luther would never accept ‘gay marriage,’ it would probably take him a while to even grasp the concept.
I wonder if he would still think it was a good idea to have marriage dependent on whatever the civil authorities happen to think about it any one time, though.
Freegards
+1
Go, and sin no more.
That, too :-)
“To those that claim divorce is always unacceptable and condemn me as one who has participated in bringing down Christianity, please explain Matthew 19:9” . . . . . You raise a good point.
Looking back to the Old Testament, with which Jesus was familiar and from which he quoted(The New Testament had not been complied during Jesus’ life), one finds Jewish law allowed divorce, but for astute and sagely reasoned goals.
The de facto reality was that divorce was available, but you couldn’t/didn’t want to pay the price. Jewish divorce was so finely tuned a social tool that one could be granted a divorce for a spouse’s bad breath. Why should a marriage continue when one party was deliberately loathsome?
Talmudic Law recognized that any bad breath problem could be dealt with cheaply for the short time needed for sex. To be deliberately offensive to one’s spouse was not acceptable, and the expense of a divorce was an effective way to prevent such spousal abuses from occurring.
Turns out the Mosaic/Talmudic system was very sophisticated, after all.
But the polling represents the views of individuals and since more than 40% of the traditional Catholics express support, the priests have some work to do. Either they need to teach on the issue or teach better but the message isn't getting through. Maybe the priests could ask their colleagues, the Protestant pastors, who for the most part seem to be doing a better job. At least, the data suggests that their parishioners are getting the message better.
LOL, poor Luther. He is to blame close to 60% of Catholics support gay relationships.
Actually, Jesus said that homosexuality was an abomination. He said that in the Book of Leviticus. And the God mentioned in the OT was Jesus. So, yes, He did say it was wrong. Liberals seem to think that God of the OT and Jesus of the NT are two entirely different persons. They are wrong.
LOL, yeah all 144,000 of them:)
I’m sorry, a Traditional Catholic Priest would not have thought, said or written such a question. Period.
As far as people being the indirect cause of the sins of humanity, well that includes everyone. What we do, for good or bad affects everyone like ripples in a pond, because humanity is a family- God's children. Jesus died for all of us, and we have the choice to avail ourselves of His Salvation.
I don't know what any one else teaches... But that's a Catholic perspective. God bless you!
I’d like to see the reference where Luther said that everyone should interpret the Scriptures for themselves. Got it handy?
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