Posted on 07/06/2015 7:37:24 AM PDT by NYer
This whole perversion of the Word of God began when Luther said each person should interpret the Bible for themselves. This has led to so called’ christians’ condoning and accepting homosexual sex and ‘marriage’. Luther is ‘turning in his grave’. He said that ‘having sex without having children was the sin of sodomy too.’
This slippery slide where christians accepting this perversion began with the condoning of divorce. It was well brought out when CNN asked Donald Trump what he believed about homosexual ‘marriage’. Trump responded by saying he is in favor of ‘traditional marriage’. They then called him on having married 3 times.
So here it is. King Henry the VIII made his own church, ‘The Church of England’ so that he could get around what Jesus said; ‘What God has united, let no man divide” and kill two of his wives and remarry four more times. He modified his christianity to suite his sexual desires. He then went on to steal Catholic property, killed thousands and caused years of persecution and starvation of Catholics in England and Ireland.
Then Margaret Sanger paid Episcopalian preachers to condone Eugenics and the use of birth control.
Then came the condoning of murdering the babies in the womb. Many ‘christian’ churches have gone along with this evil and have called it good.
Now we have the same with homosexual sin. More and more of the christian churches are supporting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality and justifying it with perverted theology.
On July 1st 2015, in Salt Lake City, the Episcopal Church “voted overwhelmingly to approve two resolutions that effectively codify theological support for same-sex marriage. The first (A054) formally approves gender-neutral and same-sex marriage ceremonies, while the second (A036) changes the current marriage “canons” to allow clergy to officiate same-sex marriages using either a marriage rite from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer or a “trial” liturgy.
..the resolution actually includes what amounts to a “conscience clause” for bishops and priests who disapprove of same-sex marriage to opt-out of performing unions, although they are required to accommodate couples in some way in every diocese.
“This is a definitive step for the Episcopal church,” Baker said. “To have this vote pass so soon after the Supreme Court decision…It was just breathtaking.”
“God has clearly been at work in the culture and in the church, changing the hearts and minds of Episcopalians,” he added. ThinkProgress.com
This week the Presbyterian Church of American also voted to ‘embrace an inclusive definition of marriage‘.
‘The measure sought to replace a phrase in the church’s constitution that defined marriage as “a civil contract between a woman and a man” with a sentence reading “marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives.”
A Presbyterian McNeil said; “We rejoice that all couples can now see those relationships solemnized before God and the Christian community in marriage, at the discretion of ministers and sessions, there is still more work to be done to ensure that the church guarantees LGBT people equal rights — and theological standing — across the board.’
Carmen Fowler LeBorge, also a Presbyterian, disagreed with the change. She said that “Any prophetic voice that the denomination may have once had to speak truth and call people to repentance is now lost. All she can do now is echo the voices of the world for she has abandoned the clarion call to bear faithful witness to the God who has clearly spoken on this matter.”
For the Presbyterian ministers there is also a conscience clause. They do not have to ‘officiate same-sex unions, and pastors can individually decline to perform a marriage — just as they can with any straight couple.’ ThinkProgress.com
A large Evangelical Christian Church in San Francisco, (City Church), just sent out a letter where they will not longer require celibacy for homosexual members. “Imagine feeling this from your family or religious community, ‘If you stay, you must accept celibacy with no hope that you too might one day enjoy the fullness of intellectual, spiritual, emotional, psychological and physical companionship. If you pursue a lifelong partnership, you are rejected.’ This is simply not working and people are being hurt. We must listen and respond.” religiousnewsservice.com
A New York Mega Church pastor Lentz, when asked in an interview with CNN if he every talks about homosexuality. “Yes, it’s a misquote because I do discuss it, just not the way people want me to, When it comes to homosexuality, I refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent. And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote were Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”
I guess this minister never read Matthew 15:19, ‘For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.’ Fornication means any sexual activity outside of marriage, (masterbation, premarital sex, homosexual sex).
‘The couple shared that gay men and women were welcomed at Hillsong NYC, with Lentz stating, “We have a lot of gay men and women in our church and I pray we always do.”
Mrs. Lentz added, “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live, it’s – that’s their journey.” christianpost.news
We are so blessed to be traditional Catholics and to believe in the complete Holy Bible. We have read where God calls homosexual sex an abomination and who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
The graph is written poorly.
I am making the assumption 25% agree and because that falls under 50% then they disagree.
No one’s hands are clean, why are you not answering the question?
OK, maybe I’m crazy, but does anybody else get the idea that churches are using this whole issue as a selling point? That despite their agenda, or perhaps because of it, gay people are being welcomed (or perhaps used?) by the smaller denominations, and splinter groups off larger ones, looking to increase member numbers and have found an issue they can bank on? Just a thought...
and all were Catholic. The first printed by Guttenberg were Catholic.
He already did in the gospel of Matthew 19:4-5 ... “4 And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that He who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5, and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?”
Two men cannot become one flesh, not in the Biblical sense.
bkmk
The whole bible is “what Jesus said”. Just look at what He has already said.
Honestly, I don’t think that was the main point of the article, especially if you look at the charts. I saw Catholic denominations in there I’ve never heard of before. This appears to be aimed more at the idea of people who support gay marriage taking the Bible out of context and deciding for themselves that it’s ok.
“... why are you not answering the question?”
I don’t want to encourage your attempt to derail the discussion.
Since you do not explain how you fall under the exception, it is only possible to provide some qualification. Jesus’ and Paul’s constant and forceful teaching about the permanence of sacramental marriage as recorded elsewhere in Scripture makes it clear that Jesus was not making an exception in the case of valid, sacramental marriages. The constant teaching of the Catholic Church attests to this as well.
t is important to note that in Jesus’ teaching about marriage and divorce, his concern was with the presumption that divorce actually ends a sacramental marriage and enables the spouses to remarry. He said to his disciples, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mark 10:11–12). But divorce that does not presume to end a sacramental marriage (e.g., divorce intended only to legally separate the spouses) is not necessarily evil.
Paul’s teaching agrees with this: "To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)—and that the husband should not divorce his wife" (1 Cor. 7:10–11). Paul understood that divorce is a terrible thing, yet it is sometimes a reality. Even so, divorce does not end a sacramental marriage.
I think you’re right, that’s the author’s (intended) point but he fails miserably. The two graphs are conflicting as far as I can tell, and they are even in the same year from the same poll. Something stinks, like stale French fries.
As best as I can figure the second graph represents a greater breakdown of both Protestant groups and Catholic ones, as well as independent Christian groups. I really can’t tell though. Maybe I’m missing something.
Having to go door to door does give them a unique perspective, I think. Imagine going to a stranger's home and a "married" same sex couple tries to push their agenda while you're trying to preach what you believe in your heart is the Word of God. That's gotta be a tough one...
The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God .....(John 10:27). It didn’t give us the Word of God.
Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles—not the Catholic Church.
Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament... The Jews did.... How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament?
Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the Word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the Word of God.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
The New Testament as it exists today was in circulation and recognized as inspired long before the Council of Nicæa. All of the books that comprise the New Testament were written by AD 95. Even during Paul’s lifetime, his letters were already in circulation among the early believers. Paul instructed the members in Colossæ: “Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.” (Colossians 4:16, NKJV. See also, 1 Thessalonians 5:27.)
The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God .....(John 10:27). It didn’t give us the Word of God.
Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles—not the Catholic Church.
Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament... The Jews did.... How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament?
Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the Word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the Word of God.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
The New Testament as it exists today was in circulation and recognized as inspired long before the Council of Nicæa. All of the books that comprise the New Testament were written by AD 95. Even during Paul’s lifetime, his letters were already in circulation among the early believers. Paul instructed the members in Colossæ: “Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.” (Colossians 4:16, NKJV. See also, 1 Thessalonians 5:27.)
How many Protestants are on the SC? Kennedy calls himself Catholic, but what denom.’s did the other assenting judges belong to? No sarcasm intended, just curious.
Matthew 19:9
NIV: And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.So, Jesus Himself said that there was an exception for divorce if a man's wife commits adultery. Mine first wife did. Am I the sinner who has corrupted the faith and brought about gay marriage?
NLT: And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful.
KJV: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Denomination of Justices that voted for Roe v. Wade
Majority
Harry Blackmun Methodist.
Warren Burger Presbyterian
William O. Douglas Presbyterian
William J. Brennan Roman Catholic
Potter Stewart Episcopalian
Thurgood Marshall Episcopalian
Lewis F. Powell, Jr. Presbyterian
Minority
Byron White Episcopalian
William Rehnquist Lutheran
Interesting theory.
Let’s correct the lie right out of the gate.
Luther did not start the division of Christians. The Catholic church did that by collecting money to buy people out of purgatory and torturing and killing Catholics. Corrupt, unholy Popes did not help either. Today the queering of the church shows it is still not reformed and I am glad, as a Christian, I glad Christians can get out of that hell hole. Look carefully at he current pope as he joins communist Barack for the goal of or global rule and oppression (in the name of a lie - global warming) and demands a Christians all unite under the Catholic Church (him) for “peace.”
I love Catholics; grew up as one. Good Catholic teachers and priests formed my deep and loving relationship with Jesus. My family is still Catholic. I just don’t like the bosses who put their nasty selves between Jesus and Christians much. Absolute power corrupts. Not church officials are nasty and I love them. But the church, because of he evil that thrives there, is dangerous.
God protected Luther from being murdered by Catholic authorities because he dared tell the truth. The Luthern church I went to had a traditional Christian catechism and members had to attend classes and agree to it in order to join the church.
Six Catholics, three Jews, no Protestants.
“Shouldn’t the Church be excommunicating these people?” (Catholic Caucus)
The Vortex—Excommunicate Them, All of Them! (Catholic Caucus)
Supreme Court, Either Catholic or Jewish
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