Posted on 05/26/2015 1:05:01 PM PDT by piusv
"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."
what...
Thank you for proving me correct, again.
Where do you think the Blessed Mother is? In Hell?
Perhaps you missed the question the first time.
If Catholics condemn *Prots* for judging whether they think Catholics are saved or not, then why do Catholics hypocritically demand that we judge non-Catholics as to whether they are saved or not?
Matthew 24:13 is talking about the Tribulation period, not the age of grace we are in now.
Romans 11:22 Paul is talking about the Gentile people, not individual believers.
Philippians 2:12 Work it out means work through it NOT to earn it but to mature in it, to become more Christlike.
*Falling* doesn’t necessarily mean losing salvation. One can fall into sin and still be saved. And in some of those cases, God takes them early.
Galatians 5:4, Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26-27 DO NOT refer to people who are Christians (and, therefore, saved).
We ALL commit sins after we’re saved. If that is your criteria, as RnMom pointed out recently, you have just nuked your theology of penance and reconciliation.
If your salvation can be lost by sin, then it can be kept by sin and has become a works based salvation, not a faith based salvation.
And then there’s the problem of contradiction with the passages I gave you, that say that our salvation is GUARANTEED by the deposit of the Holy Spirit in us.
So how about telling us how those verses don’t mean guaranteed after all?
Excuses, excuses. The Prot’s have all types of excuses for what the Bible actually states.
Luther taught y’all well!
Free will doesn't exist.
Human being do NOT have free will. Until we are redeemed, we are slaves to sin to serve that. No human being is a completely free independent agent. Only God can claim that.
And no one is eternally assured of salvation by *stepping into some group*, but rather when the INDIVIDUAL turns to Christ and trusts HIM, the Holy Spirit is deposited into that person's life and is the seal, the deposit, the guarantee of salvation. Associating or affiliating with a *group* does NOTHING to save anyone.
Salvation is not a group thing, it's an individual thing. God doesn't save churches, He saves people.
The sin of presumption is the name given to the belief in eternal assurance; it is presuming on God’s mercy. It is not just a theologically incorrect position to hold, but is also one which is a sin because it makes one proud and think that one has no need of God’s further assistance. The person thinks they are already permanently “saved” and so they do not need God, the Church or anything else.
That sounds like the sin of assumption. Not one person who is saved thinks that they don't need God any more because they are secure in the promises that God made to them.
People sin all the time and they choose to sin all the time, even saved people, sealed by the Holy Spirit.
We're not perfect. We can't be perfect. God doesn't expect us to be perfect.
Well, the Bible explicitly states that believers are sealed with the promised Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, that He is the guarantee of our inheritance until we take possession of it.
How does that not mean what it says?
I don't think I have ever a heard of such a weird, contradictory, heretical statement as yours above.
Another heretical statement. I'd like to see what other Prot's believe that.
I’m not surprised.
We are not saved by faith and kept by works.
It’s faith and grace all the way.
We can’t get ourselves saved and we can’t keep ourselves saved because if sin is what causes us to lose our salvation, there’s not a person on the planet who can accomplish that.
It’s an on again off again salvation, never knowing if you’ve done enough to earn God’s favor and merit heaven.
Galatians 3 addresses that.
http://legacy.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3&version=ESV
Show me in Scripture where it exists.
Perhaps you missed the answer. Actually not “perhaps” make that “Definitely”. Maybe it is because you ALL are too busy dodging the question, a question that is not going to go away.
Are you serious? Do you really not believe in “free will”?
Repeating a stupid statement will never make it true. Your statement means that none of you have a choice as to coming here, or what to have for dinner or whop to marry.
That is justification for "The Devil made me do it."
We are all individually responsible for our own actions or inactions. We are responsible for our thoughts and what we do with them.
God does not, can not, and will not, ever force us to love Him, that is not Agape, that is slavery.
She only asked for the scripture ...
Do prots read before they post? This with out a doubt the most inane contradictory statement I have read in a long long time.
Show me the definition of SS in the Bible. I have been asking for that and it has never been produced.
Convince me using Scripture and I’ll believe it.
Otherwise, no.
Nobody is a free independent moral agent, who is free to do whatever he chooses.
If you really believe you have free will, go for the day without sinning at all, either in thought or deed, by omission or commission.
And let me know how that works out for you.
Not true.
Saying that people don’t have free will doesn’t mean we don’t have will or that we don’t make choices or that we’re not accountable for the choices we make.
However, the concept of free will is found nowhere in Scripture. OTOH, Scripture tells us that we are either slaves to sin or slaves to God.
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