Free will doesn't exist.
Human being do NOT have free will. Until we are redeemed, we are slaves to sin to serve that. No human being is a completely free independent agent. Only God can claim that.
And no one is eternally assured of salvation by *stepping into some group*, but rather when the INDIVIDUAL turns to Christ and trusts HIM, the Holy Spirit is deposited into that person's life and is the seal, the deposit, the guarantee of salvation. Associating or affiliating with a *group* does NOTHING to save anyone.
Salvation is not a group thing, it's an individual thing. God doesn't save churches, He saves people.
The sin of presumption is the name given to the belief in eternal assurance; it is presuming on God’s mercy. It is not just a theologically incorrect position to hold, but is also one which is a sin because it makes one proud and think that one has no need of God’s further assistance. The person thinks they are already permanently “saved” and so they do not need God, the Church or anything else.
That sounds like the sin of assumption. Not one person who is saved thinks that they don't need God any more because they are secure in the promises that God made to them.
People sin all the time and they choose to sin all the time, even saved people, sealed by the Holy Spirit.
We're not perfect. We can't be perfect. God doesn't expect us to be perfect.
Another heretical statement. I'd like to see what other Prot's believe that.
Repeating a stupid statement will never make it true. Your statement means that none of you have a choice as to coming here, or what to have for dinner or whop to marry.
That is justification for "The Devil made me do it."
We are all individually responsible for our own actions or inactions. We are responsible for our thoughts and what we do with them.
God does not, can not, and will not, ever force us to love Him, that is not Agape, that is slavery.
The word is PRESUMPTION.
If you want to mock something at least make sure of what you are mocking.
Recently a non-Catholic made this statement. Do all non-Catholics hold this position. Here are the choices as I see them:
A) Free will doesn't exist
B) Limited /conditional free will exists
C) Unconditional Free will exists
D) Something else entirely (Please explain)
Please support your position with one or more verses from scripture.
I am extending a courtesy ping to the Catholics. I am certain we will get few if any responses from the non-Catholics.