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The Shroud: Not a Painting, Not a Scorch, Not a Photograph
Catholic World Report ^ | March 27, 2015 | Jim Graves

Posted on 03/27/2015 2:24:37 PM PDT by NYer

“One of my favorite testimonials as to the authenticity of the Shroud,” says Barrie Schwortz, an expert on the Shroud of Turin, “actually came from my Jewish mother.”

People view the Shroud of Turin on display at the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, in this April 26, 2010, file photo. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

This June, Pope Francis will be making a pilgrimage to Turin, Italy, home of the famous Shroud of Turin, which many believe is the 2,000-year-old burial cloth of Jesus Christ. The pope’s June 21-22 visit will include time venerating the Shroud at the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist. Francis will then visit the tomb of Bl. Pier Giorgio Frassati, buried in a nearby altar. The trip will also include a commemoration of St. John Bosco, founder of the Salesians and patron saint of youth who worked in Turin; this year marks the 200th anniversary of his birth. The papal visit will take advantage of April 19-June 24 exposition of the Shroud, which was last displayed in public in 2010.

The Shroud, which is a 14.5’ by 3.5’ linen cloth bearing the image of the front and back of a man who has been scourged and crucified, has been kept in Turin since 1578. Barrie Schwortz is one of the world’s leading experts on the Shroud. In 1978, Schwortz, a technical photographer, was invited to participate in the first ever in-depth scientific examination of the cloth, known as the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STRUP). A non-practicing Jew at the time, he reluctantly agreed to be part of STRUP, fully expecting the team to prove that the Shroud was a painted image from the Middle Ages. But after many years of study and reflection he came to believe in its authenticity.

Troubled by frequent inaccurate media reports on the subject, in 1996 Schwortz launched a website to share the true story of the Shroud and scientific research that had been performed on it. Two decades later he still makes Shroud presentations in the media and to a variety of groups, including seminarians in Rome.

Schwortz recently spoke with CWR.

CWR: What are some of the most compelling arguments that the Shroud is authentic?

Barrie Schwortz (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

Barrie Schwortz: Thirty-seven years ago, when I went to Italy with STRUP to examine the Shroud, I assumed it was a fake, some sort of medieval painting.  But after 10 minutes studying it, I knew it was not [a painting]. As a professional photographer, I was looking for brush strokes. But there was no paint and no brush strokes.

For 17 years I refused to accept that the Shroud was authentic. The last argument holding me back was related to the blood. The blood on the Shroud is reddish, but blood on a cloth, even after just a few hours, should turn brown or black. I had a conversation with Alan Adler, a blood chemist, on the phone and I shared my reservation. He got upset and asked, “Didn’t you read my paper?”

He had found a high content of bilirubin on the Shroud, which explains why the blood on the Shroud is red. When a man is beaten and has had no water, he can go into shock and the liver starts pumping out bilirubin. It makes the blood stay red forever. It was the last piece of the puzzle for me. I had nothing left to complain about. Sometimes I wonder why I hadn’t asked Alan Adler that question 17 years before, but I guess I wasn’t ready for the answer back then.

Although this was the final evidence that convinced me, it is no one particular piece of evidence that proves the Shroud is authentic. The entirety of evidence indicates that it is.

One of my favorite testimonials as to the authenticity of the Shroud actually came from my Jewish mother. She was originally from Poland, and had only a high school education. She heard one of my lectures, and afterwards we were driving home. She was quiet for a long time—you have to worry when a Jewish mother is quiet—so I asked her, “Mom, what did you think?” She said, “Barrie, of course it’s authentic. They wouldn’t have kept it for 2,000 years if it wasn’t.”

Now that was an excellent point. According to Jewish law, a blood-soaked shroud would have had to have been kept in the grave. To remove it, in fact, you would have been putting yourself at risk because you were violating the law.

The most plausible explanation to me for the Shroud, both because of the science and my own personal background as a Jew, is that it was the cloth that was used to wrap Jesus’ body. 

CWR: What are some of the common falsehoods about the Shroud?

Schwortz: It would take hours to compose such a list. There seems to be a constant cacophony of nonsense being put out about the Shroud. One involves a medieval artist creating it by using three different photographic exposures and his own urine; I call that the “Shroud of Urine” theory. Now why would someone go to all that trouble when they simply could have painted an image?

The Shroud is a complex object, and a six-page article or 44-minute documentary—which must be entertaining—can’t do it justice. That’s why I created www.shroud.com so that people can review all the data and come to their own conclusion based on the facts.

CWR: What does the Shroud tell us about the physical sufferings of Christ?

Schwortz: It is literally a document of the Passion and the torture Jesus suffered. His face was severely beaten, and was particularly swollen around the eyes. I’m a fan of professional boxing; the facial image on the Shroud reminds me of a boxer who’s just lost a match.

The man has been severely scourged. Not only do we observe the wounds on the back, but the thongs wrapped around the body and hit the front as well. Forensically speaking, the image on the Shroud is more accurate than common depictions we see in art.

He has a spear wound on his side. His legs are not broken, as was typically the case with men who are crucified. His head and scalp are covered in wounds. Again, in art, we often see the Crown of Thorns depicted as a small circle resembling laurel leaves around Christ’s head. But that is not realistic. The soldiers actually took a thorn bush and smashed it down on his head.

We see the back of one hand, which indicates that the nails were driven not through the center of the palm, but an inch closer to the wrist. For a Roman soldier crucifying 20 or more people at a time, that makes sense. It’s the perfect place to drive a nail that will hold, and then you can move on to your next victim.

Regarding the feet, it’s impossible for us to judge if a single nail held both feet, or if nails were driven in each one. We have the actual remains of two crucifixion victims, and two nails were used in their feet.

CWR: Was he stretched out on the cross so that his arms were dislocated? And, had part of his beard been plucked out?

Schwortz: The forensic evidence tells us that he could have been stretched so that his arms were dislocated. And, we do observe a V-notch in his beard, indicating that it could have been plucked.

In the end, the forensic evidence indicates that the Gospel account is an accurate depiction of what happened during the Passion of Christ.

CWR: Some people have seen many other things in the Shroud, such as Roman coins covering Christ’s eyes.

Schwortz: Oh, yes. People see coins, flowers, and all kinds of other things that may or may not be there. Regarding the coins, on our STRUP team we had a NASA imaging scientist—a good Catholic, in fact—who indicated that the weave of the linen was too coarse to pick up the inscription of a coin. What we’re certain of is that we see an image of a man, and isn’t that what is important?

CWR: From your study of the Shroud, what kind of physical description of Christ can you offer us?

Schwortz: He was a well-built man; what we might describe as buff today. He had a strong upper body, a deep chest and good-sized shoulders. This makes sense, as he was a carpenter. At that time you’d have to go out and fell a tree, cut it up and carve it, all things which would require a lot of physical strength.

Regarding his height, it’s hard to tell. There is no defined edge of the image. It just fades out. The cloth, too, can be affected by humidity and stretched. That said, our best guess is 5’10” or 5’11”. So, he’d be a taller man for the time, but not so tall that the Gospel writers made note of it. In fact, we have the remains of Jewish men from the era that were over six feet.

CWR: Did he have a ponytail?

Schwortz: It certainly looks like it. Orthodox Jews of the period wore their hair long.

CWR: What can you tell us of the cloth itself?

Schwortz: It was a high-quality cloth that a man of high stature would have owned. It was probably made in Syria, and brought to Jerusalem on the back of a camel. Since it was imported, it would have been expensive. This is consistent with the Gospel account, which indicated that Joseph of Arimathea was a wealthy man. He probably owned it and had been planning to use it for himself. 

Before my own Jewish father died he planned out his entire funeral. It’s reasonable to believe that Joseph of Arimathea did the same. When Christ died he gave him his own shroud, planning to buy another one for himself at some later date.

CWR: Your website just celebrated its 19th anniversary.

Schwortz: Yes. In 1995, I was talking to a friend, and he said, “You know that Shroud thing you’ve been studying? It was a painting by Leonardo da Vinci.” I asked him where he got that information. He said, “My wife and I were at the grocery store, and we saw it in a tabloid at the check-out.”

Now Leonardo da Vinci was a pretty good artist, but we have documentation about the Shroud dating back 100 years before he was born. No one is that good! I remember writing myself a note: “Consider building a website.” I did, and I’ve been overseeing and adding to it ever since.

I realized long ago what a great privilege it was to be in that room in Italy with STRUP in 1978. But with that privilege came a responsibility. As I tell my audiences, I wasn’t in that room for me, but for you. I don’t know why God picked me to be there, but what better witness than a skeptic? I had no emotional attachment to or interest in the subject at the time.

CWR: What was involved in your time with STRUP in 1978?

Schwortz: We arrived a week early with 80 crates of equipment, which was seized for five days by Italian customs. We had a limited time to implement a 67-page test plan, and as we had lost five days of preparation, we weren’t certain we could run all of our tests.

The Catholic Church itself had very little involvement. The Church, in fact, didn’t own the Shroud at the time. King Umberto, Duke of Savoy (the former ruling family of Italy), whose family had owned the Shroud for six centuries, gave permission for us to study it. The Church in Turin was merely the custodian of the artifact. 

We initially asked for 96 hours to study it, but we were allowed to see it about 120 hours. We were there to collect data, not draw conclusions. We were there to answer one simple question: how was the image formed? In the three years following we produced papers that were submitted to peer-reviewed journals. In the end, we could only tell how it did not get there. It was not a painting, it was not a scorch, and it was not a photograph.

Our team was composed of experts of a variety of faiths, from Catholics to total skeptics. We had Mormons, Evangelical Christians, and Jews. Our religious belief was not a criterion for being on the team. In fact, as a Jew, I felt uncomfortable being on the team and I tried to quit twice. One of my friends on the STRUP team, Don Lynn, worked for JPL and was a good Catholic. When I told him I wanted to quit because I was Jewish, he asked, “Have you forgotten that Jesus was a Jew?”

I told him I didn’t know much about Jesus, but I did know he was a Jew. He asked, “Don’t you think he’d want one of the Chosen People on our team?” He told me to go to Turin and do the best job I could, and not worry about being a Jew.

CWR: Are there any other objects in the world that compare to the Shroud?

Schwortz: There is nothing like it.

CWR: What effect have you seen the Shroud have on people? Schwortz: I’ve observed a broad range of responses. Some have no reaction, but for many others it revives their faltering faith. But, in the end, faith is not based on a piece of cloth, but is a gift of God stirred in the hearts of those who look upon it.

 


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To: newfreep; NYer
Focus, man...and less leftist rambling!

You focus, newfreep. How in any way was what I posted "leftist rambling"?

I follow the science and report the science. Therefore, I am providing you the current state of the science regarding the image on the Shroud. This particular piece of data has been known for years.

The image itself is NOT 3D it is 2D. . . it required computerized extraction of the data. You cannot see a 3D image unless it is massaged by a VP-8 analog image analyzer. If you think that is leftist rambling you are delusional.

I described to you the exact nature of the image. YOU somehow convert that into LEFTIST rambling? Ask anyone here. I have more accurate information on the science and scholarship on the Shroud than anyone on FreeRepublic except perhaps Shroudie. The scientists agree with me.

41 posted on 03/27/2015 7:42:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: NYer; longfellow

No, it may not.

It is far from being yet established that there was any real "science" at all.

We have the word of the one researcher, who though otherwise perhaps clinically qualified, is alleged to have had but one other individual assisting himself, with there having been no other tests conducted either before or since...

It doesn't help one bit that the alleged finding was published in Italian, and has yet to be made accessible in English --- which is the language of science, in this day and age.

Then there is the mysterious "WHO" document said to exist -- and which is quoted from in part --- BUT NEVER shown in what context the quote comes from, etc. The more I dig into this, the further from being conviced I become skeptical...and I'm one of those that ten thousand horses couldn't drag me to deny the truth of Scripture, and that the one we know of in the English language as Jesus Christ was indeed who the New Testament indicates He said He was, and who the disciples said He was (and still is) for flesh and blood (alone) did not reveal it to me...or else I would have no reason to not doubt.

The man who published the alleged results --- is part of a Vatican-controlled commission which "investigates" such alleged miracles -- correct? Or he at least was, if he is still alive...

That leaves him, in this regard at least, to be something else OTHER than a neutral, thus truly "scientific" observer.

Whatever it is -- do not use that word "science" and/or "proof" in regards to this Lanciano "thing".

If it be such a sure thing -- then why has such claimed to be so extensive work not been replicated?

Surely something along lines of a fairly unobtrusive "blood" sampling using pipettes -- sealed by a variety of witnesses -- then perhaps sent to a variety of labs for testing could be done?

It would not take much of the substance, whatever it is, to replicate parts of the prior alleged tests. Doing so would remove all doubts, and fairly well rock the world.

But no, the Vatican is always all-controlling, and tweaks and manipulates, leaving those whom would have doubts concerning these type of claims have those doubts all but entirely confirmed. It is as if "they" would prefer unbelievers to become even more hostile, by design.

The Lord Himself, once one encounters His Spirit, is so strikingly different than those whom claim He left them in charge, it leaves those whom have encountered Him elsewhere, other than within the narrow confines of Roman Catholicism, with the conclusion that the RCC is up to it's old tricks, with fakes and frauds on the right and the left, which when challenged are found covered up with dusty layers of misdirection and spurious, difficult to investigate claims.

It happens at seemingly each and every juncture wherein there arises that which comes into conflict with the Scriptures themselves, once those are well enough understood in the contexts in which they arose (and what the words would have meant to those to whom they were sent...).

It matters little to nothing that there are many who believe it truly is the blood of Christ --- since we have the word of but one researcher, and himself a believing Roman Catholic, and the testing conducted in Italy, under the guidance of the RCC -- with no outsiders there to establish chain-of-custody for the material themselves, etc.

A decent lawyer could get the so-called evidence you've listed thrown out of most any court in the United States due to the inherent conflicts of interest, and the chain of custody problem. You didn't even bother to give us a link to whatever Roman Catholic fan-boiy webpage you copied the info from.

WHat's up with that? It's like --- wherever anyone looks into this issue, the primary documentation has been made to be as difficult as possible to ferret out, and that is seemingly continued by the "true believers' whom breathlessly repeat what is found on other web pages -- but never show the source(s). Then, when one digs far enough to go after the primary documents -- they are not available other than by way of "image" from a book, or else in a pdf behind a PubMed paywall --- with all of that still Italian, and not easily translatable into English -- thus open for examination.

That the info is getting old, and the researcher unreachable --- and there is no record available for other alleged commentary associated with this (including possible questions and or possible points of order raised by those within the scientific community) makes it appear as if there truly is something to hide --- even as what is desired by many to be believed, is put forward.

That kind of methodology is not science, although it is reminiscent of the Rossi fraud type of "science".

What is it with those eye-talians anyway? The entire nation seems more than half-full of crooks, criminals and frauds. The home of the famiglia... I feel sorry for whatever otherwise decent folks live there and have had to put up with the ongoing and varied corruptions for who knows how long now, perhaps since the Empire of Rome....

Speaking of chain-of custody, although this alleged miracle is said to date back into, what is it -- the 9th century, as a few of the "true believer" Roman Catholic pages would have it? -- but --- actual history dating back that far is impossible to establish in anything resembling scholarly documentary fashion, with the oldest extant writings (or even mention) dating back only as far as the late Middle Ages. Isn't that so? If not -- prove otherwise, or this point I raise will stand.

There are (or once were?) a few other instances of similar miraculous "Eucharist" blood and/or flesh crop up in the same time frame (a matter a 20-30 years or so) in other areas nearby to this Lanciano (or Laniciano as it sometimes spelled).

That these first find their way into the records near simultaneously --- at just the time in European history when alchemists were at their busiest in experimentation, leaves the door wide open to needing conclude that something alone those lines was the true origins, being that the RCC has seeming a thousand ways to make their own resistance to there being anything approaching openly verifiable testing done. If it's not one excuse or set of reasons -- it's 3 others.

Whatever it is, until there is actual testing done which is verifiable by outside & neutral sources --- don't call it science.

So far, what has transpired, cheapens the name of science, while doing injury to the name of Jesus, also.

Can you establish an proof of chain-of-custody for what was allegedly examined?

It get's even worse when one looks into the back-story for this Lanciano (or Laniciano) "Eucharist miracle" said to date to the 9th century or so...for other than claims that it goes that far back, there are no actual evidences it exited until much later. OR -- feel free to prove otherwise, but bring the proof HERE, in English, with links to whatever sources you are using.

The entire affair smacks of just another in a long line of frauds perpetrated by the RCC.

42 posted on 03/27/2015 10:39:26 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: BlueDragon

For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who doubt, no proof is sufficient.


43 posted on 03/28/2015 3:37:01 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Swordmaker
You cannot see a 3D image unless it is massaged by a VP-8 analog image analyzer.

Thanks for clarifying the Shroud's image IS truly 3D...yet you deny what you just stated.

Sheesh...perhaps kneeling at the Tim Cook homo sucking idol has caused you to lose any remaining cognitive ability.

44 posted on 03/28/2015 4:23:15 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: NYer
That still is far short of any justification for usage of the word "science" in regards to the Lanciano materials.

There has been no confirmation whatsoever, with the initial info coming from conditions which can be termed "hinky".

As far as the Shroud info goes --- if the one Shroud which has remained is what it is purported by some to be, from among a few or more which once existed and were all claimed to be the burial shroud of Christ, then by default that would prove that all but the one were and had been frauds --- all along.

That aspect additionally supports some of my own own contentions which I presented to you in regards to there having long been frauds and pretenders among that which looked upon as "relic".

Meanwhile, if all you have to say is along the lines of what you just did -- then spare me any further of that sort of pathetic noise. You had been saying "science", which is supposed to stand as irrefutable fact -- and was the way which you had presented it.

But now, the tune has suddenly changed and has included unstated but possibly intended to be implied accusation(?) if so -- the you can go stuff that accusation.

I can't stand that sort of cop-out response (with a side of insult?) not when there are multiple issues at hand...

45 posted on 03/28/2015 4:38:56 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: newfreep
uh...that last sentence which you wrote...

Was that necessary?

Things of that sort have no place among the subject matter of this thread, I think.

46 posted on 03/28/2015 4:58:55 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: Swordmaker

Great read. BTW, just read this mystery book titled “The Skeleton Key” - fictional story regarding the Shroud. At the end in the notes by the author he tries to prove it a fake. Didn’t do a very good job.


47 posted on 03/28/2015 6:49:37 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: molson209

Almost like the Shroud image was the initial “model” for paintings of Christ that were then copied over and over again for centuries.


48 posted on 03/28/2015 10:44:54 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: BlueDragon
You had been saying "science", which is supposed to stand as irrefutable fact -- and was the way which you had presented it.

Dear friend, you are not new to FR. Over the years, there have been multiple postings on Eucharistic Miracles. Many of these occurred long before the development of scientific means for testing. In more recent times, some of these have been subjected to scientific research to either confirm or negate the article. The earliest one dates as far back as the Dessert Fathers.

In more contemporary times, there was a Eucharistic Miracle in Buenos Aires.

On October 5, 1999, in the presence of the Cardinal’s representatives, Dr. Castanon took a sample of the bloody fragment and sent it to New York for analysis. Since he did not wish to prejudice the study, he purposely did not inform the team of scientists of its provenance. One of these scientists was Dr. Frederic Zugiba, the well-known cardiologist and forensic pathologist. He determined that the analyzed substance was real flesh and blood containing human DNA. Zugiba testified that, “the analyzed material is a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves. This muscle is responsible for the contraction of the heart. It should be borne in mind that the left cardiac ventricle pumps blood to all parts of the body. The heart muscle is in an inflammatory condition and contains a large number of white blood cells. This indicates that the heart was alive at the time the sample was taken. It is my contention that the heart was alive, since white blood cells die outside a living organism. They require a living organism to sustain them. Thus, their presence indicates that the heart was alive when the sample was taken. What is more, these white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, which further indicates that the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.” source

Faith, of course, should not be based on miracles alone. God, though, recognizes our weakened nature and occasionally provides such a miracle to grab our attention. Take, for example, Dr. Eben Alexander. He is a neurosurgeon who did not believe in the afterlife or the existence of souls. All that changed one night when he was stricken with an illness that few survive. You can read the account here.

I can't stand that sort of cop-out response (with a side of insult?) not when there are multiple issues at hand...

No insult .. simply acknowledging reality. Some people believe on faith; others require scientific facts and, even then, still doubt. That is human nature.

Wishing you a Blessed Palm Sunday.

49 posted on 03/28/2015 1:44:30 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: newfreep
Thanks for clarifying the Shroud's image IS truly 3D...yet you deny what you just stated.

Sheesh...perhaps kneeling at the Tim Cook homo sucking idol has caused you to lose any remaining cognitive ability.

The Shroud is not by any definition truly 3D. . . no scientist claims such. It inexplicably contains Three dimensional data, but the Shroud itself is NOT Three Dimensional and your claim that it is 3D, is scientifically FALSE. There are means in which the 3D data can be extracted from the Shroud which shows that it is unique among images from the past because no other images from the past exhibit such data encoded into them.

You are truly allowing your anti-Apple hatred to distort everything you post and anywhere you post. . . and to allow it to spill over into hatred of me. You are DELUDED and Posting insane claims about a fellow freezer. GIVE IT A REST! You have absolutely NO EVIDENCE THAT I am "kneeling at the Tim Cook homo sucking idol" you idiotic, anti-Apple TROLL! You are beyond sick.

50 posted on 03/28/2015 3:04:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I appreciate your posts and your sharing your expertise with us.


51 posted on 03/28/2015 3:40:33 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 03/28/2015 9:34:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: NYer

That’s got to be it. I don’t think there is anymore.


53 posted on 03/29/2015 11:14:30 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!

On a related note, I had the privilege of visiting the Shroud of Turin Expo here in San Antonio. It is still in town for a few more weeks before moving on, if anyone has a chance to go. I strongly encourage viewing the exhibit, as it lays out all of the evidence for the authenticity of the Shroud. My wife was all but in tears afterward.

MD


54 posted on 04/01/2015 6:12:58 PM PDT by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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